This is very similar to the notarization process Apple introduced to comply with the EU requirement of allowing third-party stores, and yet the EU doesn't seem concerned (maybe because Apple did not allow third-party stores in the first place, will it be different for Google?)

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not an Apple user, so I didn't know about this. Extremely disappointing.

It really does seem avoiding any and all American services/products (to the extent possible, with exceptions where reasonable) is the only way forward.

I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that the US is a ethical, cultural and even economic dead end. Yes even economic, only a fool would believe intense corruption and broad support of criminality and corruption among the population will not have any negative effects in the future.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You think this wouldn't happen elsewhere?

It's not just an American thing, it's an asshoke thing, and those people are everywhere, and will always find a way.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

even the OP phone is considering doing a soft-blocking of bootloader

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Of course it can happen elsewhere.

Just US has a massive influence on tech platforms, and they are currently under-going an oligarch takeover (oligarch influence was already bad irrespective of whether the far right or centre right was in power).

Mind you I am not anti-American. I have largely always defended the US as a matter of pragmatism (it is the largest and most influential democracy-leaning country with a measure of respect for human right). US has done really bad things, but they have done good things as well. I can't say the same about say China or Russia.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes the largest economy in the world is an economic dead end. Do you know why so many countries are sucking off Trump? They want access to American dollars. And no diversification doesn't work because what do you replace America with, there isn't some untapped multi trillion dollar economy just sitting there. It sucks and I don't get why the world let it happen but it is where we are and it we'll hurt to change it and nobody seems like they want to do the work.

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

I clarified what I meant by economic dead end. It's not going to happen tomorrow or even in ten years. But absolute corruption, rollback of democracy and a population where a large number of people support crime and corruption will have a caustic effect in the long term. It's a straw man to suggest that I was claiming an immense collapse in American economic might.

At one point the "sun never set on the British empire" and now the British empire is no more. There are also examples of economies that were once top end, but are now closer to middle income.

I don't think you understand the extent to which American "soft power" is being eroded right now. What countries have you lived in? What languages other than English do you speak? Do you have close friends in other countries?

Of course America is major economy, that doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't exist. Just look at the state of Chinese products in the early 2000s and where they are now.

People don't like thugs and liars, especially ones who are constantly parroting polemics about "freedom for this and that" while engaging in criminality and opposing democracy.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 18 hours ago

us has made every country dependant on it, which is why the brics was created o offeset it, but it isnt doing really good right now.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

The EU can't even distribute their own apps without Play Integrity. Seems unlikely they will care.