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E: apparently it needs to be said that I am not suggesting you switch to Linux on your phone today; just that development needs to accelerate. Please don't be one of the 34 people that replied to tell me Linux is not ready.

Android has always been a fairly open platform, especially if you were deliberate about getting it that way, but we've seen in recent months an extremely rapid devolution of the Android ecosystem:

  1. The closing of development of an increasing number of components in AOSP.
  2. Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices. I suspect Google is not far behind.
  3. Google implementing Play Integrity API and encouraging developers to implement it, which prevents apps from the Google Play Store from being downloaded without a system-wide OS-level account login. Notably the EU's own identity verification wallet requires this, in stark contrast to their own laws and policies, despite the protest of hundreds on Github.
  4. And finally, the mandatory implementation of developer verification across Android systems. Yes, if you're running a 3rd-party OS like GOS you won't be directly affected by this, but it will impact 99.9% of devices, and I foresee many open source developers just opting out of developing apps for Android entirely as a result. We've already seen SyncThing simply discontinue development for this reason, citing issues with Google Play Store. They've also repeatedly denied updates for NextCloud with no explanation, only restoring it after mass outcry. And we've already seen Google targeting any software intended to circumvent ads, labeling them in the system as "dangerous" and "untrusted". This will most certainly carry into their new "verification" system.

Google once competed with Apple for customers. But in a world where Google walks away from the biggest antitrust trial since 1998 with yet another slap on the wrist, competition is dead, and Google is taking notes from Apple about what they can legally get away with.

Android as we know it is dead. And/or will be dead very soon. We need an open replacement.

E2: thank you to everyone stopping by from Hacker News, Reddit, etc. to check out the threadiverse. I hope you'll stick around for a while. Check out https://phtn.app/ and the Voyager and Blorp apps for a nicer UI. Fuck Spez!

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[–] AstroLightz@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Send me back to the 90s with the flip phone. Old Nokia with a changeable battery, no malicious firmware that has spyware built in. It's just a phone.

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i tried to do this recently but it created a lot of friction in daily life. once the masses have moved on, it's hard to keep the old stuff, sadly. it's really frustrating.

[–] drhoopoe@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, I tried going the dumbphone route and lasted about a month. I travel a fair bit for work, and it's almost impossible now without a smartphone.

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

that's the hard part for me. daily life is bearable with a dumb phone but i live in a semi-rural area. when i go to civilization it's high friction without a smartphone.

[–] blind3rdeye@aussie.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I get by alright without a smart phone. Over the years I've seen more and more "just scan this QR code to do such-and-such", and I ignore them. I think you're right that it is a lot of added friction compared to using a phone. A lot of stuff is instantly at your fingertips with your phone.

But to be honest, I really truly think that a bit of friction is a good thing. Without it, we just slide helplessly into oblivion. Or, less metaphorically speaking, the friction turns an automatic decision into a deliberate one. The friction pushes people to think about their actions and choices a little bit. And that's generally a good thing - even if its a little bit harder.

[–] hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

for me it was less about things being a little bit harder and more about being unable to travel from the airport to lodging or work offices without paying out of my own pocket, which I couldn't afford anyhow.

typically I would just buy a cheap prepaid stock android phone for this and use as much fake info as I could.

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

no malicious firmware that has spyware built in.

Sure about that?

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

spyware in a 90s phone ? Where it was even a miracle to be able to connect to Internet ? Yeah, they were able to pinpoint your position using the cell towers (which were less than today so not that precise) and the telecom know who and when you were calling but other than that...

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trust devices that are open and run open firmwares not old devices

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

True but I was only pointing out that what is a problem in modern smartphone was not a problem in older dumb phone since they lack the functionalities (and the supporting infrastructure)

[–] brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are assuming it wasn't a problem back then

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 0 points 2 weeks ago

It is a little difficult to spy on phone owner (except knowing where the phone is located) when everything you have is SMS and a memory measured in Kb, leaving aside that every phone had its own firmware incompatible with everyone else.
Of course telecom companies always know where you were and who you call, like today, but at most they can tap and read the SMS.

For context, GPRS was rolled out around 2001, before that you basically have not any data connection if not plugging to the phone an external modem.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -3 points 3 weeks ago

That's just all electronics outside of Linux at this point.