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E: apparently it needs to be said that I am not suggesting you switch to Linux on your phone today; just that development needs to accelerate. Please don't be one of the 34 people that replied to tell me Linux is not ready.

Android has always been a fairly open platform, especially if you were deliberate about getting it that way, but we've seen in recent months an extremely rapid devolution of the Android ecosystem:

  1. The closing of development of an increasing number of components in AOSP.
  2. Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices. I suspect Google is not far behind.
  3. Google implementing Play Integrity API and encouraging developers to implement it. Notably the EU's own identity verification wallet requires this, in stark contrast to their own laws and policies, despite the protest of hundreds on Github.
  4. And finally, the mandatory implementation of developer verification across Android systems. Yes, if you're running a 3rd-party OS like GOS you won't be directly affected by this, but it will impact 99.9% of devices, and I foresee many open source developers just opting out of developing apps for Android entirely as a result. We've already seen SyncThing simply discontinue development for this reason, citing issues with Google Play Store. They've also repeatedly denied updates for NextCloud with no explanation, only restoring it after mass outcry. And we've already seen Google targeting any software intended to circumvent ads, labeling them in the system as "dangerous" and "untrusted". This will most certainly carry into their new "verification" system.

Google once competed with Apple for customers. But in a world where Google walks away from the biggest antitrust trial since 1998 with yet another slap on the wrist, competition is dead, and Google is taking notes from Apple about what they can legally get away with.

Android as we know it is dead. And/or will be dead very soon. We need an open replacement.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Ill address your issues with Android and then ill give my issues with mobile Linux:

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  1. The closing of development of an increasing number of components in AOSP.

Yeah this is bad but not even devastating for custom roms like GOS or LineageOS

2

  1. Samsung, Xiaomi and OnePlus have removed the option of bootloader unlocking on all of their devices. I suspect Google is not far behind.

I highly doubt Google would lock the bootloader, they still make the most friendly devices for custom roms (yes even after all they have done). Also Samsung hasnt acturally allowed custom roms for a while now while Xiaomi doesn't either.

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  1. Google implementing Play Integrity API and encouraging developers to implement it. Notably the EU's own identity verification wallet requires this, in stark contrast to their own laws and policies, despite the protest of hundreds on Github.

Even if a developer used the Play Integrity API it doesn't mean custom roms or other operating systems like GOS arent supported. I use GOS and have had no issues with play integrity, there are no incentives to require a certified Android device.

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  1. And finally, the mandatory implementation of developer verification across Android systems. Yes, if you're running a 3rd-party OS like GOS you won't be directly affected by this, but it will impact 99.9% of devices, and I foresee many open source developers just opting out of developing apps for Android entirely as a result.

Sideloading isnt going anywhere and tbh I doubt this will be strongly enforced, Google will always have the threat of root resurfacing. You dont even need root to get rid of Google Play services and install MicroG.

Conclusion

Android as we know it is dead. And/or will be dead very soon. We need an open replacement.

That seems highly unlikely, even with everything Google has done the fact is AOSP is the only mature open source mobile project.

Now ill get to my issues with mobile Linux:
HardwareAs of now there is no good hardware and no plans by any company to make good hardware in the future.
UIMobile Linux interfaces are at least a decade behind Android, clunky and bearly usable. Btw yes I have tried them recently, they suck. For the most part mobile Linux interfaces are made by developers who would never acturally daily drive them.
Software supportNot a lot of Linux software supports arm and those that do either don't work with touchscreens or have them as an afterthought.
UXThe software that does work generals isnt designed with small screens in mind and are very often scaled down desktop apps
Basic functionalityBasic functionality is absolutely not there on Linux phones, things like calling and texing either require commands or outright dont work at all. For example according to the Postmarketos Wiki in order to change volume on a Pixel 3a during a call you need to manually change it with commands. Genuenly what the fuck, if im on an important call the other person isnt going to wait several hours for me to fiddle with the terminal. If I need to send a text now im not waiting several hours until it works.
SecurityMobile Linux has all the security issues as Linux with no mitigations, except phones contain a lot more personal information and are more likley to be a target for data extraction.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah this is bad but not even devastating for custom roms like GOS or LineageOS

Not yet. It's a concerning trend. It's certainly put a strain on their already-limited resources.

I highly doubt Google would lock the bootloader

...why not?

Also Samsung hasnt acturally allowed custom roms for a while now while Xiaomi doesn't either.

They had unlocked bootloaders. Now they don't. That's all I can say about that.

Even if a developer used the Play Integrity API it doesn't mean custom roms or other operating systems like GOS arent supported.

That's...exactly what that means. That's the entire point.

have had no issues with play integrity

Oh well I suppose if you have no issues, no one else is either? No. You're just not using the apps in question. But once again, it is a concerning growing trend. More and more apps are implementing it.

I doubt this will be strongly enforced

Why would Google lie about this?

As of now

As you might have read in the first sentence of the OP, I was not suggesting installing it now.

My point is that the issues with mobile Linux is so numerous and severe that the timeframe for when the average person could use it is at least seven years or more.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Graphene team already did a blog post about the lock down of AOSP and how it will significantly hinder their ability to support future hardware, since drivers was a huge part of what was moved closed source by google. Those open source drivers was the big driving force for why Graphene basically only supported Pixel phones. They made it significantly harder for people using AOSP derivatives currently to upgrade to a new phone when it is time.

Sure but the GOS team has openly said that even with everything they're still going full steam ahead on Google Pixel support. People thought GOS was going to die but we know now that it was severely overblown.