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[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 46 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Looking at it from a perspective other than "Windows shit, use Linux", MS' biggest issue here is that the vast majority have no compelling reason to upgrade. Currently.

To the average punter, W11 offers nothing that W10 doesn't already have. There's no new technologies that they care about, no new tentpole software that they're dying to try. Nothing. It has copilot running rampant through it, but most people don't know what that is or don't give a shit.

Give Apple their due, when they announce an OS update, they focus hard on the ways it improves over the current offering. Ways it can interact with your other devices, for example. Or even just a whole new design.

But MS advertise nothing beyond "This is new, come get it!", then wonder why no one cares.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

As a non windows user, I don't get to interact with Microsoft systems an awful lot, but to me windows 10 felt like a complete system while windows 11 always feels like an early beta for some reason. It has some kind of unfinished, wet paint quality to it.

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 1 points 28 minutes ago

I don't really use Windows these days. Mostly in a VM to make sure something I'm fiddling with is compatible for the poor folks at work who have to use it. So I can't say I have any real opinions on 11 one way or the other. I couldn't really point to one thing that's vastly different or improved.

I guess, from that point of view, 11 feels mostly like it's MS adjusting the OS to better suit their revenue stream, rather than improving workflows for the consumer. Which it is, I suppose.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

The biggest problem Microsoft has is that the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware. The fact that a good number of PCs that aren’t even 10 years old can’t even run it is the issue. Also, MacOS names for each update are unique and interesting. Windows 11 is a very uncreative name which has always been a problem with Microsoft; example: Xbox One…

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

the biggest selling feature of Windows is its ability to be backwards compatible and run on older hardware

Really? I thought it was supposed to run older software, I don't think hardware comes into it.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 hours ago

Maybe it is worth saying that it isn't that it can't run on it, it is that Microsoft is trying to stop it from running on it. Two registry keys and 11 replaces 10 on anything 10 works on. But they don't want to tell anyone that.

But the premise is sound: to the end consumer they hear "buy a new computer" while the old one works fine, and the new ones price is starting to climb....

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 hours ago

I genuinely couldn't tell you what the current gen Xbox is named, though to be fair I don't really pay that much attention these days.

But yeah, Windows can't really have much of a default theme update when there are a good four different window styles throughout the various settings panels.

A lot of people are also questioning why they even have a home PC now. Their Win 10 machine is "out of date" and they need to replace it or else, but their cell phone now does much of what their PC did. Instead of installing Linux and learning a whole new OS, they just cut out their PC and just use their phone.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 22 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Great point. Their strategy at this point is holding a gun up to your hard drive and saying "upgrade now or your data gets it."

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I thought it was "we are upgrading now and your data gets it"

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

They want us to upgrade to 11 so they can do that when they release Windows 12.