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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Acquaintance from high school married a preacher man, "met" him on FaceBook. Very intelligent and well educated man. His doctorate in divinity is real, he worked for it, absolute expert. His arguments were well crafted and we loved poking each other. Plus, we were both hot pepper fanatics and growers. :)

Here's the point: That's the only Christian I've met in life that could actually debate Biblical views. I can turn most of them into a raging, spitting, cursing mess with a dozen questions, and they almost never engage for the whole dozen.

Guess I should include my best friend. He was a conservative Southern Baptist, very angry when I announced I had turned to atheism, though he was fine with me as a deist. LOL, I corrupted that fucker. Now he's an atheist, liberal, and supports gay rights. But again, he's an exception. His best traits are that he's intelligent, way more so than I, and best yet, he can admit he's wrong and is willing to examine his beliefs. Exceptions proving rules and whatnot.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My sister-in-law's step dad and grandfather are both preachers with doctorates in theology. I can talk religion with them all day, and we all can recognize the issues with modern Christians. The people who actually understand the Bible are generally great people in my experience.

They aren't the issue. It's the people who use it as a tool/weapon who are the issue. They don't care what it says, nor do they even know what it says usually. They might know a handful of passages that can be mangled to fit their hateful ideology, but it doesn't really matter as long as they fell righteous.

Have you asked them about the bibles internal inconsistencies?

Start with something uncontroversial like; what's the name of Joseph's father?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oooo, can you give us a list of your 12 questions? Or a bunch of them?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LOL, no list. I just grew up in a white-bread Presbyterian church, know the Bible well enough to argue, if not exact chapter and verse.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Dang, I was hoping you could give us some good ammo.