A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful.

"The Jews never fought back" is certainly an incredible take, especially from a German.

In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it’s not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

Do you not understand colonialism? Of course you think history began on October 7th, 2023, but only when it concerns the actions of "Israelis".

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Do you really not understand that Hamas did not exist before the genocide of Palestinians started? They cannot have provoked this in any way, as you repeatedly have attempted to imply with your arguments that this is different from the Holocaust.

The "Israelis" are colonizers. Not a single acre of the land they live on is rightfully theirs. It's all stolen, except maybe a very, very small minority of Jews who lived there prior to the colonization AND consider themselves "Israelis" now AND still live on their ancestral properties, but even they still benefit from the colonialism.

I'm not misinterpreting what you said. It's just that what you said doesn't actually make sense the way you think it does, because you think (incorrectly) that this is a thousand year old religious conflict. That's orientalist propaganda designed to make you support the existence of "Israel".

In reality, where this is not a thousand year conflict but a hundred year colonization and genocide, the only way what you said makes any sense is if the Jews didn't fight back. Because Hamas is fighting back and you are arguing it's different from the Jewish reaction to the Holocaust. The Jews did fight back. It's not different.

Edit: I just realized this is a 10 hour old comment I replied to in the parallel thread.

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Do you not understand colonialism?

I'm completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m completely aware that this originally started with the zionist invasion of palestine in the early 20th century.

From your other comment next to this one...

“The Jews never fought back” is not what I said. Again, you intentionally try to misinterpret what I said. I was specifically talking about the time before the Holocaust even started, there was no reason for Germans to fear Jewish people, as they were just normal people.

Do you not see how you're not being consistent?

[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that. You do not truly know anymore who started, the only thing I personally know is that the same way that a genocide against Palestinians needs to be stopped, so does a call for genocide against Israelis. Of course, due to other countries (including Germany) support of Israel, Palestine needs special protection and the immediate ceasing of all support to Israel.

What you do not see is that we don't truly disagree, I'm just trying to explain one of the multi-faceted thought patterns that go on in some people's brains. Multiple different concepts can co-exist at the same time, and do not necessarily contradict each other, like saying that the genocide in gaza needs to be stopped immediately and the genocide in Gaza and in the Holocaust not being the literal same.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".

What you do not see is that we don’t truly disagree

We do disagree. Your entire view of the so-called "conflict" is based on zionist lies, which is why you can never meaningfully oppose it no matter how much you think you do.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of “Israel”.

Wait... Are you saying that Israelis became the "nomad nation" and moved from country to country just for shits and giggles? That they left Israel because they wanted to, and not because the Persians persecuted them?

Your entire view of the so-called “conflict” is based on zionist lies

Could you elaborate? Does that mean that Israelis shoot rockets at themselves?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate? Does that mean that Israelis shoot rockets at themselves?

Yes, if you read the comment you're replying to...

I do understand what you mean, however the attempted genocide that christians, jews and muslims are doing to each other is much older than any of that.

Incorrect and also hasbara. This is an ahistorical orientalist fabrication that is designed to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of "Israel".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you for quoting the exact part that I asked you to elaborate on.

Just so I get it right: you're of the belief that the entire "Iran gets equipment from russia, sends it to Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthi, with the money to up operations and cause chaos, and Hamas/Hezbollah use these resources to strike at random targets in Israel", something that is confirmed by intelligence material from the entirety of NATO, Ukraine, India, Pakistan, Emirates, Saudis, Bahrain, Qatar, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, Egypt, and Sudan - ALL of that is fabricated and designed "to obscure the very clear and obvious colonial nature of 'Israel'"?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I refuted the idea that this is a thousand year conflict by pointing out that it is a colonial occupation (which began in the last 100 years). None of the bullshit you're spewing has anything to do with that.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I refuted the idea that this is a thousand year conflict

Ah, OK, so you're just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going "LOL, let's write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later"?

None of the bullshit you’re spewing has anything to do with that.

Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I'd understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah, OK, so you’re just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going “LOL, let’s write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later”?

Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.

Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I’d understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?

I don't know how much clearer I can make it: this "conflict" is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The "Israelis" are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people "Israelis" claim falsely to be the continuation of. The creators and forefathers of the "Israeli" state, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl, were open about the colonial nature of their project.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?

Telling that you can't separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

So, it's not about "Israelis vs Palestinians", or wider, "Israelis vs Arabs". It's just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That's it?

It's about colonialism, which is exactly "Israelis" (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.

The only one here who is a proponent of genocide is you, because you support colonialism and colonialism is genocidal.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.

Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians "roaming") for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a "settler colony"?

It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people)

Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who's calling for a genocide. Which are you?

colonialism is genocidal.

That's not how words work, mate.

[–] LeninWeave@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

"Israel" is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians to colonize the region. All your bullshit about "Israelis" "roaming" is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide. Ashkenazim are Europeans.

Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.