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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 88 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

There's a difference between 'repairable' and 'upgradable.' Most of the comments seem to conflate the two. Lenovo isn't doing a Framework.

It's a smart move. Differentiates them from other laptop-makers for corporate IT, who can do the parts swaps themselves. Also smart is associating the brand with iFixit and working to get a 10/10. That'll be what sets them apart from all the others, at least for the next year or two.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

The "upgradability" part in a small laptop is questionable to me, anyway.

The GPU is really compromised in that chassis, as having it in a slot compromises cooling big time, and limits how much power it can use. And while I love upgradable RAM for the CPU... it'd be better if they used faster CAMM modules. Many other brands have upgradable SSDs/WiFi.

Swappable ports are awesome, no question.

...But honestly, I'd rather have a smaller chassis, bigger GPU and better cooling right off the bat, like a Zephyrus chassis. And have it reparable, and make the whole motherboard standardized/swappable, but not compromise the chassis so severely by making it modular.

[–] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

There's a difference between 'repairable' and 'upgradable.'

Absolutely! I've got a Lenovo IdeaPad Flex 5 (laptop/tablet thingy).

I've upgraded/replaced the ssd - no problem.

Unfortunately, this laptop has an issue with the keyboard: the left section/panel intermittently stops sending inputs. Meaning, keys like escape, a, w, shift, l-control - just stop (even in the bios). I'd read that they keyboard "collects" static which causes problems with certain sections of the keyboard.

I thought I'd see how difficult it would be to replace the keyboard. I watched a teardown video, and of course you need to remove everything... but I lost it when, the person in the video used a heat gun to melt "plastic rivits" that connected the keyboard to the motherboard case. Then with the replacement keyboard needed to remelt the plastic rivits.

This laptop is not repairable. In fact, I swore I'd never buy another Lenovo again as a result. ... but if their focus is on making them repairable (~~and their recent partnership with GrapheneOS~~ edit: oops, that's Motorola and GrapheneOS) - I might be eating crow tonight.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

Note that ThinkPad and IdeaPad are practically different companies with how Lenovo acts.

Fully expect IdeaPads to continue to be shit. ThinkPad can do the most wondrous good stuff in the world and IdeaPad will stay garbage.

And yes, I went through the same exact maddeningly shitty keyboard replacement procedure. Never again IdeaPad, though ThinkPad has been fine.

Bonus points, ThinkPad brand never shipped Superfish, and most of the firmware security flaws have been IdeaPad side. It's amazing how half-assed they are with that brand yet pretty competent with ThinkPad.

[–] crabArms@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

oops, that's Motorola

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/d/motorola-smartphones/ Same company, actually, so you were basically right the first time!

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A think pad t series is not really much harder to take apart than a framework. Just more screws and fewer magnets. The screen is probably an exception however.

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 17 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

That's his point. It's similar to framework, but not the same.

Easy repairability is great, truly.

But framework offers more than that, easy repairability AND upgradability, because they offer new upgraded parts with the same compatibility as the old ones, so you can just drop them in.

Lenovo is not yet doing that. Which is fine. Just a noteworthy difference.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 13 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I would be curious to see how often people actually upgrade their frameworks.

I agree with their repair stance. It just feels like one of those things people will tell you they want and then never do.

Still maybe the explosion in memory prices will change the incentives and people will start holding things longer. It will be interesting to see.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I've upgraded my 13 with new mainboards twice. I've yet to upgrade my 16 because everything is too expensive now, and upgrading the GPU to the newer nVidia module would require replacing the screen too and fuuuuuck that. Maybe they'll put out a new AMD module that won't require replacing a perfectly good screen.

[–] festus@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago

I would be curious to see how often people actually upgrade their frameworks.

For me, I've upgraded my mainboard to a newer CPU generation for better integrated graphics (old one is in a case as a home server) and I upgraded to their matte screen when they released those.

[–] hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago

I got my framework about a year ago, before the tariffs got crazy, and well before ram got crazy (I put 96 gigs in it to play with AI workloads, and for the lulz).

My plan is to ride this thing until it starts showing its age. Which I imagine will be another 3 or 4 years? Only then can I comment on my actual desire and commitment to upgrading it.

Until then, I'm just banking on the fact that the company will a) live. And b) still have parts for my machine.

I do appreciate what they're doing, and I like my machine now.

There are definitely people out there who upgrade super frequently, who knows, maybe I'll be one of them in 1 or 2 years instead of 3 or 4. Hard to say what life will look like then, the way things go these days.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It is a bigger deal in business settings, where one laptop can see multiple hands and you've got a team dedicated to repair.

Not typically an issue for the individual user, but increasingly an issue for a team of users as the size of the team grows

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

While easy to repair, how does durability compare so you don't need to repair it in the first place?

While not bad like an HP consumer grade laptop, I have not heard good things about the rigidity of the frameworks. All the modularity takes away space for reinforcement and leaves more points for things to break.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The modularity might be considered almost a gimmick of recessed USB-C accessories, so I would personally be happy with a device that leaves that outside the core chassis, so long as the chassis ports are at least as modular as this ThinkPad concept. No idea if those big empty areas are a serious liability structurally or not...

Even among shitty laptops, it's always been keyboard, screen, or charging port as the things that break, not sure structural support matters too much on those fronts. I have had boards fail, but not due to physical events.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

keyboard, screen, or charging port as the things that break

That's exactly where structural reinforcement makes a difference. Keyboard less so since usually it's the switches that break. But ThinkPads have reinforcement not just on the chassis, but the ports too. There's a plate about 1 inch wide on all the ports of my machine. The less all components flex the less likely things break. From simple insertion cycles to actual physical damage, it all adds up over time.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Ok, my ports break out of use, have had pretty bad luck with USB-C charging ports on the thinkpads... Never been dropped but they just stop working... Then if out of warranty I start using another USB-c port... then that breaks....

Seeing a modular USB-c port is just absolutely fantastic...