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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You ain't wrong about the social credit thing! There was only one municipality that tried to implement it in any way that even vaguely resembles how mainstream media hysterics portray, and that city's administration was punished for it on the national stage.

The only thing the "social credit" system was meant to do is make major public figures accountable for corruption. It was never aimed at REGULAR people!

But yeah nah fuck anyone and anything that opposed democracy especially the two faced single political party of the United States of America. If they actually gave a shit about democracy for real instead of just consuming lives to pay for their pedophilia addictions, we'd have ranked choice voting by now.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I don't think ranked choice voting will save you. You need to clear the board so to speak and get some options that actually represent people over corporate interests.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world -2 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

You do realize that ranked choice voting is one of the simplest and least violent ways to push forward progressive candidates right? Because it makes people comfortable with voting options that with first past the post would be throw away votes

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 5 points 16 hours ago

Haha, you think the epstein class will allow you to vote away their fascism

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 7 points 18 hours ago

That makes sense, and then you look at Europe and realise the issues at hand are systemic, caused by material conditions and bourgeois democratic electoralism is never going to fix those issues.

Much of Europe already uses ranked choice or proportional voting, yet remains austerity-ridden and sliding toward the far right because it is still under the dictatorship of capital. The voting mechanism is secondary to the concrete material conditions: capital's imperative to accumulate, the commodification of labor, and the state's role as an instrument of class rule. Until that dictatorship is overthrown, electoral reform is rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship.

The core contradictions at hand are:

Socialized production versus private appropriation:workers collectively create value, but capitalists expropriate the surplus

The tendency of the rate of profit to fall: as organic composition of capital rises, profitability declines, forcing capital to seek new fixes

Overaccumulation and underconsumption: capital produces more than can be profitably sold, leading to crisis, layoffs, and austerity

The contradiction between capital's global mobility and labor's relative immobility, which fuels a race to the bottom in wages and protections.

As imperialism declines (neocolonial extraction becomes costlier, interimperialist rivalry intensifies, and the Global South resists outright plunder) capital can no longer rely on external superprofits to offset domestic falling rates of profit. The response is internal repression: austerity to slash social wages, union-busting to weaken labor power, surveillance to preempt dissent, and the normalization of authoritarian governance. This is capital's logical reaction to crisis.

This dynamic mirrors Weimar Germany: economic crisis, delegitimized liberal parties, and a bourgeoisie that ultimately backed fascism to crush the organized working class and restore "order" for capital. Today's far-right surge is the same phenomenon: capital's emergency management when consent can no longer be manufactured through bourgeois democracy alone.

Voting under these conditions is not a path to liberation; it is a ritual that legitimizes the managers of decline. For voting to matter, you must overthrow the dictatorship of capital and reach the synthesis of these contradictions: a revolutionary transformation that socializes production, abolishes exploitation, and builds a state that serves human need, not profit. Only then does political power and thereby voting become meaningful.

[–] MerryJaneDoe@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Alas, I fear the US might be too far gone for ranked choice to have an effect.

The problem is quality of candidates. Since Citizen's United opened the door for unlimited corporate money in elections, literally 90% of candidates are on someone's payroll. "Grassroots" is a thing of the past. Mass media and name recognition are everything.

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

As good as preferential/ranked voting is. Compulsory voting would have a much larger positive impact on US' democracy

Ideally both

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Many far right countries (australia, japan, south korea) use ranked choice voting... it doesn't make a bit of difference. If capitalists control the political system, then they will stack candidates and fund the campaigns that support their interests, and the "democracy" there is nothing but political theatre.

Outside of Marxists, even the ancient greeks knew that representative government is just another name for plutocracy, because only wealthy / landed family have the money and prestige to fund campaigns to get themselves elected. Liberals still haven't learned this simple lesson.

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone -3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

In what world is Australia far right? Center right/neoliberal today maybe. But not far fight, especially compared to other countries

Also I recommend compulsory voting.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

In this world, the world where open support for genocide is bipartisan in Australian politics

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 1 points 5 hours ago

I do not and will not dispute that either.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neither can fix the systemic problems caused by capitalism though, democracy in capitalism is democracy for capitalists.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

How will compulsive voting improve anything? Now you're dragging even more uninformed dopes to vote, a lot of them will vote for spite. Far more than you realize, I think

Trump was 100% the vote-for-spite-burn-it-down candidate. That's how they get you, the old switcheroo

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago

Now you’re dragging even more uninformed dopes to vote, a lot of them will vote for spite.

uninformed defines almost all american voters and the last election showed that 30 million people who voted in 2020, chose not to vote in 2024 instead of spite voting.

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't happen in reality