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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, is there a massive problem of adult teachers and staff at school being constantly glued to and distracted by their phones such that it prevents them from teaching and doing what they are otherwise there to do?

No?

... Maybe the critics can ask ChatGPT what a false equivalence is.

We had early smart phones back I was in high school.

We also had this rule.

Its fine.

If its not fine, you have an addiction problem, and should seek help.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 5 hours ago

I’m sorry, is there a massive problem of adult teachers and staff at school being constantly glued to and distracted by their phones such that it prevents them from teaching and doing what they are otherwise there to do?

Um.... while I wish it weren't so, it does happen quite a bit, and should be taken more seriously than it is.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

False "addiction" accusations are used to imply that the thing you want to control in people is a problem of lack of self control requiring external intervention

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

Oh I'm not implying, I'm directly stating it.

If you cannot go 24 hrs, 48 hrs, a week, without using a phone for anything other than making actual phone calls on it, you have a problem and need, at bare minimum, a hobby.

I'd suggest reading whole books.

There is so much literature on how massive (especially shortform) social media use destroys your ability to concentrate, lessens your attention span, causes addiction, and is intentionally designed to cause addiction.

Its literally come out in court, fairly recently.

If you can't hit pause on this on your own, yeah, you need help.

At this point, I don't know where that help is going to or should come from, but I know an addict when I see one.

Because I am one.

I'm addicted to nictoine, I start getting real pissy around the 24 hr cold turkey mark.

I certainly would count myself amongst those who would need actual help to actually quit.

Difference here being, my nicotine habit isn't and wasn't tolerated or accepted in public school, I did that shit to myself, a decade afterward, as a legally/socially self responsible adult.

[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with you that adults having smart phones is a different problem than children having smart phones.

Here's where you lose me. The critique isn't that adults are distracted. The critique is that being a role model means modeling the same behavior and showing by doing. That is the argument I see disengenuously misrepresented in this comment section again and again. That is a separate argument from adults have a problem with using their phones at inappropriate times during the work day/adults are addicted to their phones.

I can also unilaterally state that smart phones are also addictive for adults and are also bad for our mental health and well being.

The fact is, adults absolutely do have problems with staying on task and avoiding their phones during the work day. I see this in the field I work in and in other fields. This is so prevalent there are whole industries where its common to see "no mobile devices allowed in vehicles" stickers and decals on work trucks.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh, well, most adults being paid to pefrom their role, their tasks and duties, at a job, most of them are essentially de facto capable of role modelling proper phone usage, otherwise they'd be fired.

You just don't use it while you're actively working, you know, actively engaged in the act of teaching a lesson, overseeing a lab day, etc.

If a teacher was constantly on their phone, while they're supposed to be teaching, they'd get reported and reprimanded and eventually fired.

This isn't disingenuous, to hold this assumption... this is how things have worked for a long time.

Yeah, yeah a construction or transport crew should also have restrictions on distracted driving or otherwise operating a multi ton vehicle, yes, same as a forklift operator.

They should be fired if they egregiously violate safety protocols.

Systems exist and have existed to do this.

The problem that is going on in schools is that a combination of over-exhausted and underpaid teachers, combined with incompetent/corrupt admins have just looked the other way on this for so long that its become a problem not only in schools, but also all the places those kids who went to those schools go after they've graduated.

The solution is not to equivocate, the solution is having higher standards.

And just to be clear: addictive behaviors and patterns start in adolescence, and then progress and worsen and broaden when they are not identified and addressed.

This is ... very widely the consensus of all kinds of studies into all kinds of addiction.

So having teachers model proper usage of the useful but potentially very addictive device... is arguably the most important area of society to do this with.

If you want a society that isn't constantly distracted by their rectangles... you should exemplify to them how to properly use the rectangles from a young age.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

I took the headline to mean the critics of the law were saying they don't want teachers to be allowed to have cell phones on the job. I wonder if a lot of the commenters here took it the exact opposite way (teachers and students should be allowed to have cell phones, rather than teachers and students should both be banned from having cell phones in schools).

I think that may be where the crisscross is.