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So, you’ve always been able to sideload apps on Android, Google is just using unfair practices to stop other people’s app stores from being popular.
When does this ruling affect Apple, who actually has a monopoly on their store?
It doesn't, although Epic simultaneously sued Apple over this in a separate suit. Their arguments against Google and Apple were different, and in the Apple case the judge sided with Apple on practically every count.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple
Notably, the one aspect that was not ruled in Apple's favor was their "anti-steering" policy, which prohibited developers from informing users about different app stores or payment methods within an iOS app. The crux of the ruling boiled down to Apple not having a monopoly over the smartphone market or mobile gaming in general since people can "just" go out and buy an Android device and do business with Google instead (while avoiding mention that Google has near identical policies re: the Play store and takes the same cut of a developer's revenue).
Needless to say, pretty much every sane person on Earth plus a pretty wide spread of other tech companies can clearly see that the ruling in the Epic v. Apple case was complete bullshit, especially in light of this ruling in the Google one.
The judge was probably an Apple fanboy and/or in their pocket.
The amount of times I've heard arguments on Apple forums/news articles being pro-Apple-walled-garden is too high.
Yeah, I was about to say. Was it even SCOTUS? They could have been frugal and bought the judge a mid-sized SUV instead of an RV.
Google is feeling robbed at the moment. I really want the same judge to dismantle Apple's grip
Just out of curiosity, are you an Apple user, looking for alternatives to Apple's AppStore?
No. I'm an Android user who wishes for freedom for his (half) brethren who for whatever reason want to use a closed garden
You've always been able to side load apps you are correct.
However, this is not what Google wants. Over the years, Google has started to enforce more restrictions on third-party applications. They've been slowly making these options more difficult to find in the settings of certain OEMs. Just because they give you the freedom, doesn't always mean they care.
But yes you are correct that Apples monopoly on their app store is way worse. But Google would absolutely remove more user choice settings if certain things like the GPL didn't stand in the way of the Android OS.
If Android had never been open-sourced, they would absolutely not have any options for third party installations mark my words.
They only thing standing in their way is Linux and the GPL.
Google is just as malicious as Apple. They are just better at hiding it.
I feel like they came from a position where that wasn't immediately transitionable.
Even tho Apple comes from a BSD background, it seems like Google was more core to the internet and open-source background when they first released Android.
Since then, they have slowly transitioned all of their captured market to more closed ecosystems. But they have done it slowly out of fear of shedding their more devoted original followers (I dunno how to phrase that).
These days, I agree that Google is predatory as fuck. In some ways, Google is better than Apple, but Apple is better than Google in others. Neither are clean in regards to user privacy or security.
I really hope the recent rumblings of a lawsuit against Google regarding OS attestation becomes a real thing and goes through. This would allow things like OS projects like GrapheneOS to provide even better user experience. I would hope that this could then be leveraged against iOS.
I can't wait for the plateau where software and hardware is generic enough (well, for phones) that OS and hardware can be actually created by separate projects/companies.
Here’s a comment from yesterday that explains it much better than I could. Quick and dirty tldr is that this has nothing to do with consumer impact, it’s like a business to business thing.
https://lemmy.world/comment/11794585
Side question, is anyone aware of how to properly link comments on lemmy? I know I can link communities with !technology@lemmy.world and users with @borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com, but I’ve just realized I have no idea how to post instance agnostic links to comments or posts.
As far as I know, there is no way right now. There's some discussion of having a more agnostic identifier here, but seemingly no movement yet.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2987
The best you can get right now is using an extension like Instance Assistant for Lemmy, but that only helps you, not the person you're responding to.
That said, if you use a mobile app (I use Thunder) it will usually handle post/comment links in-app, so it doesn't matter what instance they link to.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions! I had found that GitHub issue and actually tried the tilde link even though there’s no commits that mention it, just because the bang and at formatting work.
I do mainly use the Arctic app to interact with lemmy which also handles the url in app fine, but I like to do things the “right” way whenever possible.
!technology ?
I’m not sure what your question here is? I wanted to link to this community, since I’m here and it’s just an example. You have to include the instance after the community regardless of your own home instance, so an example for you that isn’t on your home instance would be !cybersecurity@sh.itjust.works.
If all you see is what you typed, maybe your app is being weird because you and this community are on the same instance? If that’s the case I typed
[!technology@lemmy.world](/c/technology@lemmy.world).Apple is also being sued by the DOJ for having a monopoly.
When Google Play services is required from many devices to operate, I'm not sure it matters where you get the apk from
That ruling will make it easier to apply the same thing to Apple
dude complaining about apple being proprietary in 2024, when apple has built their entire business from day one by being the most draconian closed loop proprietary hardware/software model since personal computers were invented. i mean, sure, i get it's annoying bullshit, but you're literally getting what you signed up for when you decided apple was the way to go, lol. i hope this android/google action will lead to opening up the apple ecosystem as well, but i wouldn't use any of their bullshit if you paid me, i remember the days of the ibm clones, and apple telling us all to go fuck ourselves.
Who cares about what you or me like to use? The point is that Google is under fire for their closed system while Apple is far stricter. They should be the first to get forced to open up.
They already got forced in the EU
FWIW, Apple has 28% of the global market share compared to Google at 70%. By the numbers, one is far closer to being a monopoly than the other.
Since this is happening in a specific country, we need to look at the numbers from there. Not some average over the world. Obviously with most people being poor they are not going to have an iPhone.
Sidenote: those clones, and eventually the entire standard PC architecture we know and love today, were possible because IBM fucked up and used common, off the shelf components, with the only proprietary item being their BIOS, which was quickly reverse-engineered. It's not like IBM wanted to shower the world in third party PCs that weren't theirs. That's why they tried again to lock down the market with the PS/2, but failed to dislodge the PC.
In a different universe, we might all be using Acorn or Amiga today.
i member micro channelling lol
Well, I guess it’s time for a Halt and Catch Fire rewatch again.
Commodore’s management were way too incompetent for the Amiga to survive, unfortunately.
The ghost of Acorn kinda lives on, in our phones and smart toasters.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s…
As someone else who has never owned an Apple device, only watched other people using them. What the fuck are you on about?
Are you seriously complaining about people complaining that Google's main rival seems to be immune from the same punishments, despite the fact that they, as you have said, are the most draconian and locked down system? Do you not see why this might be a relevant problem that Apple is just immune to legal repercussions because "lmao they've always been evil 🙈"?
Dude complaining about a dude complaining about apple being proprietary in 2024, when apple has built their entire business from day one by being the most draconian closed loop proprietary hardware/software model since personal computers were invented........
You just made the same argument, but in an aggressively dumb way.
Everything you do to become a monopoly is legal (or at least should be - there are lots of illegal things you can do along the way but for discussion lets assume/pretend they don't do those things). However it is not legal to be a monopoly.
Just because you've built your company with the goal of being a monopoly, doesn't make it legal.
So if something is shitty, the solution would be to shut up about it and pray that the 40%+ of the world who buys the shitty thing suddenly has an epiphany that they've been buying shitty things? Excellent logic.
That's dillusional American-centric thinking. Apple only has a 28% market share globally while Android still dominates over 70%.
Ok... the off-the-cuff number was not the point in the least. The point is that MILLIONS of people happily use those shitty products and they're not going to just suddenly stop doing so.
But sure, all that matters here is that you despise americans.
Umm... I am an American, and never said anything about hating the place. I dislike the American attitude I encounter daily that everything happening here has more importance and everywhere else is irrelevant.
If I was really as "America centric" as you think I would've said 60%. I'm sorry if you think my meaningless stab in the dark to make a completely different point means that you think I don't care about the rest of the world. It doesn't.
Either way, you missed the point if all you're focused on is a random guess that wasn't even meant to be accurate. The fact that it was a round even number without a source is a clue that it was a guess.