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The number one thing that most of these don't do well for me is the connection with banks. You mentioned that there is bank syncing, how well does that work? Can I say, just click my bank and do an oauth connection, and it will store it? I really loved Mint, and essentially want it to be done the same way
In the US it has integration with SimpleFIN. SimpleFIN isn't free but it's pretty cheap ($1.50/mo) and supports most banks out there, even my obscure local credit union. It works pretty well, though sometimes the banks fuck with stuff and seem hell bent on breaking any kind of API access, but SimpleFIN support was really responsive for me to get it fixed when it happened. I do also have to reauthenticate my bank every day when I want to sync, but that's also just the banks being assholes and isn't too bad to do.
How well do you find it works? I'm not afraid of the fee, but I don't want to spend time setting it up and paying the fee to only find out that it won't do most things
Worked really well for me, just put in an API key to actual budget and it pulls all the info from simple fin. Only thing that doesn't pull for me it categories of the transactions so you have to manually set them up in actual but it does allow for rules.
Yeah I started using Actual about a week ago. Setup SimpleFin in a few seconds within a couple of minutes actual was auto populated. I ran into a syncing snag and messaged Simple Fin support. They worked with my credit union and I was all good in a couple of hours. Been running smoothly ever since. I really like it. And I don't have the guilt of not budgeting anymore. Plus, ynab tutorials and advice are basically Actual tutorials.
Tried it and it works pretty well! I'll have to keep playing with it, but so far so good!
Has worked really well for me. Like I mentioned I've had a couple instances where the banks change their login flow and I had to open a support ticket to get it fixed, but they (SimpleFIN) were very responsive in working on it when I opened a support request and had it fixed within a couple days. Two of my accounts also have to be re-authenticated every time I wanna pull data into Actual, but that's also the banks' fault and it's not that big of a deal to do.
As for integration with Actual is basically flawless and just works. Setup is super easy, just paste in a token from SimpleFIN and boom you see all the accounts you have linked and can attach them to accounts in Actual. Sync is rock solid too, I don't have any issues with it messing up transactions with duplicates etc.
Does SimpleFIN use OAuth to log into bank accounts, or do you need to enter your bank's username and password?
Unrelated to this post, but do you know if SimpleFIN supports investment accounts? If it does, it seems like an easy way to let me write a script to help rebalance my investment accounts. I might look into it.
It varies by bank but for all mine you have to use the username and password unfortunately. My understanding is that it's just how the underlying bank APIs work in general, because that's what I have to do when I link accounts for my banks elsewhere too, not just in SimpleFIN. I don't think they actually store your credentials though, I think it proxies it to the bank login and then caches a token. You can probably ask their support about the details if you're concerned, they have been pretty responsive to me and willing to answer technical questions.
It does support investment accounts, I have my retirement and investment accounts in there. It supports just about every account I have, actually, credit cards included which is super handy. I think it's all read-only access through, so you can only use it to import data not make new transactions.
That's alright. Even read-only access is useful. I could write a script that pulls my current investments, prompts for the amount I'll be investing in total, and prints out the buys (eg "buy 10 x VOO, 5 x VXF, 20 x VXUS") that'll keep the account balanced based on some percentages.
Not sure if it tracks like your actual portfolio breakdown, it might have access to that info but for Actual Budget it just shows the balance on the account.
If you're in the EU you can do bank syncing for free with GoCardless integration. If you're in the US you need to go with SimpleFIN which costs a small sum and is in a more experimental phase than the GoCardless integration I think. Either way, GoCardless has been working great for me. Actually far better than YNAB which didn't even support my bank. It's literally just set up and forget.
Because the actual export, transform and loading of multiple banks and accounts data is cumbersome its holding me back.
So curious to read about GoCardless.
But is that also for consumer?
And is it this: https://gocardless.com/pricing/
Yes, it works a treat in the EU (due to PSD2, which mandates open banking) and U.K. (which is copy/pasting PSD2 to ensure their banks aren’t left behind).
I’m syncing with Handelsbanken UK, American Express, Lloyds, Monzo and Starling, all in the UK. Works a treat except most of the banks actually rate limit you to a couple of syncs per day.
Yes. You can read about on Actual Budgets documentation. It's free for personal use. You just generate an API token. https://actualbudget.org/docs/advanced/bank-sync/gocardless/
I got simplefin sync working. But I was surprised how manual everything still is. Actual syncs line items but not balance. You have to manually reconcile it. Actual does not handle transfers automatically, you have to set up rules for it and it's very tedious and often requires manual fixes.
For someone used to mint or monarch, I would say sync functionality is extremely mininal. I want to like it more. I'm kind of surprised so many people don't mind this stuff. Maybe I'm lazy.
A bit of an anecdote, but i was a long-time user of Mint, which integrated with all my banks and credit cards, which was nice.
When I decided to selfhost, I was disappointed that bank syncing wasn't a thing, or it had these roundabout ways of working, or they simply didn't support the banks and credit cards i use.
So... I ended up wity Money Manager EX.
Once i did the initial importing of my records, everything since has been manually entered.
Now, this might seem tedious depending on how many transactions and accounts you manage, but it's really not.
Depending on how often you update your records, you can do an easy export/import of your transactions from your bank (usually a csv export). Doing this once a month isn't terrible.
I just manually enter all my transactions. Yes, more work, but also less frustration and it makes me feel more in touch with my spending.
Even not having to worry about the hassle of syncing not working, or having to fix things like that is a huge weight off my shoulders.
Anyway, just wanted to share my experience because bank syncing shouldn't be a make-or-break thing.
For me personally, it was easier to just write a few python scripts to parse the CSV files from my banks.