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If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!

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For all your boycotting needs. I'm sure there's some mods caught in lemmy.ml's top 10 that are perfectly upstanding and reasonable people, my condolences for the cross-fire.

  1. !memes@lemmy.world and !memes@sopuli.xyz. Or of course communities that rule.
  2. !asklemmy@lemmy.world
  3. !linux@programming.dev. Quite small, plenty of more specific ones available. Also linux is inescapable on lemmy anyway :)
  4. !programmer_humor@programming.dev
  5. !world@lemmy.world
  6. !privacy@lemmy.world and maybe !privacyguides@lemmy.one, lemmy.one itself seems to be up in the air. !fedigrow@lemm.ee says !privacy@lemmy.ca. They really seem to be hiding even from another, those tinfoil hats :)
  7. !technology@lemmy.world
  8. Seems like !comicstrips@lemmy.world and !comicbooks@lemmy.world, various smaller comic-specifc communities as well as !eurographicnovels@lemm.ee
  9. !opensource@programming.dev
  10. !fuckcars@lemmy.world

(Out of the loop? Here's a thread on lemmy.ml mods and their questionable behaviour)

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[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Didn't we do this yesterday?

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 53 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I think it's good to have regular outreach. I just subscribed to the linux community from this one.

The other post also has me considering moving my account to a different instance. There were some compelling arguments against centralizing on lemmy.world. (I don't strongly disagree with the moderation here but I do somewhat disagree with centralizing admin power like on reddit.)

I wouldn't mind seeing these regularly. But maybe it would be nice to have someone make specific accounts for that purpose so you can easily block them out of your feed.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t mind seeing these regularly.

Feel free to join us on !fedigrow@lemm.ee

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[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 17 points 5 months ago

I guess this more a top 10 list than our extensive thread

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[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (7 children)

OpenMW's official Lemmy community has been on lemmy.ml since 2021, way before lemmy.world existed (and most other instances, too), and way before there was any inter-instance drama. It's becoming increasingly likely that it's not going to be a suitable long-term home, but we'd be much happier if we could migrate the existing community rather than start from scratch with a new one. Is there any way to do that yet?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

IMO organizations should self-host their official communities. If you're going to move, it ought to be to something like !openmw@lemmy.openmw.org.

In addition to the obvious benefits of having admin control/being able to avoid moderation drama imposed by others, it also means you could have more than one community: maybe !openmw for general discussion, plus !modding, !development, etc.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

+1, larger community projects really should try to spin up their own Lemmy hosting on whatever infra they already have for message boards

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[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 22 points 5 months ago

I had a look at your community, do you want to save post and comments?

If not, the easiest way is to announce on the current community where you are going to move, then lock it, so that people indeed move to the new one.

I did it from !casualconversation@lemmy.world to !casualconversation@lemm.ee, it worked quite well.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

but we’d be much happier if we could migrate the existing community rather than start from scratch with a new one. Is there any way to do that yet?

Migrating content over should be doable by a sufficiently tech-savvy admin, subscribers, I don't think so.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Community migration is coming in future releases of Lemmy but right now it's not possible.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 22 points 5 months ago (9 children)

The way that I see it, the issue with lemmy ml's administration and moderation is not quite political in origin. It's about transparency; and I think that this wall of text that I wrote about how lemmy dot ml handled ani.social shows it well, as the dispute in question was not political in nature. (I can abridge it at request.)

With that out of the way, most of your suggestions boil down to "use lemmy.world instead". I don't have anything against LW's administration, but I think that it's foolish to concentrate people and activity there even further, it defeats the point of a federation. That instance is already 40% of the MAUs, and hosts the largest comms using Lemmy.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Ah yes Lemmy.world should be a giant monolith. Great defederation plan.

[–] Speculater@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Subbed to them all, thanks for this outreach.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

The onslaught of fediverse karen posts about lemmy.ml continues.

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[–] jackiechan@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (41 children)

OOTL on this one, what happened on lemmy.ml?

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Criticizing China on lemmy.ml goes about as well as evangelizing crypto on awful.systems. Join an instance that shares your values or roll your own. Know your audience or get the hammer.

It's like a huge chunk of the population out here has never experienced a forum before.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (19 children)

It is far more than just that. Removing comments is one thing, mass-banning from many communities at once despite never even having commented in them at all is another, but the real issue is using database manipulation to delete the log entries as to why the comments were removed after the fact.

Even if unintentional, which strains credulity, this is some spez-level stuff going on, edit: where we have the option to either take what a single person (who does not seem inclined to follow their own stated rules) offers, or else we can leave. Many are choosing the latter, and like the Rexodus, making the situation known to others as well in the process.

"Criticizing China" was merely the spark that lit the match, with the situation offering proof of what apparently people have been suspecting for some time now.

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[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Agreed. But to be fair, there's never been a forum like the fediverse before. People are still learning how to navigate this complex, multifaceted space. It's not just one audience, it's many different ones.

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[–] muse@fedia.io 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml is developed and admined by tankies. Recent allegations are that someone is censoring accounts that have previously made posts critical of China by moderating them across various magazines

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[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The views of .ml mods have not affected me. I don't really check my subscription feed, only /all or /top->day, therefor im still exposed to all those other communities.

The only instances that I've noticed are missing are porn related, and as an asexual, I don't have an interest in them. If I did, I could just visit a different site, like pornhub or w/e

Not all .ml users are tankies, or communist, or foss enthusiasts. I'm just a guy who likes memes and tech

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It affects people who think that Lemmy.ml is the default instance, as it says itself and people say that any instance is fine to join.

It also affects people in the batshit insane comments that come from people on that instance, like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, that occur with noticeably higher frequency than from other places.

It also affects people on that instance who talk as if into a void with many people blocking their instance but they don't even know that. And that effect will increase over time.

It lowers traffic on the Fediverse, decreasing overall engagement, and drives people away from it altogether. It also lowers the likelihood that you can recommend to people irl to check out the Fediverse - when THAT stuff (e.g. defense of genocide) is seen it tends to turn people off who aren't used to it or who are tech or culture savvy enough to know how to handle it.

So it does affect you, I promise, even if not directly, and over the next few months will do so increasingly as your instance turns into more of an echo chamber than it has been in the past, as more people block it either individually or at an instance level.

Agreed that many of the users are regular people who are just innocently getting swept up in all of this due to the actions of the admins. Just like users of Reddit were when spez did his power flex moves.

You might want to at least make an alt somewhere else so that you get some experiences that your .ml account increasingly will start to lack.

[–] Oka@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I hear you. When I first joined .ml, they were pressing for people NOT to join it. To create their own instances so that .ml didn't become a central entity, and get overwhelmed with users. The latter did occur during the reddit exodus.

I also agree that they can curate and manipulate the instance to their ideals, which will limit casual users and their reach.

I don't feel like I'm being secluded, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I have seen hate for .ml users and hexbear users, and I really don't get it. The fediverse shouldn't be segregating users based on what instance they're in. That's like saying all US citizens are awful because they live there.

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