So rather than just push a super simple firmware update that disables the always online need, they'd rather just stop selling it, and probably brick these printers in a year or so when they discontinue the service.
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Has hp ever done anything to suggest they give a shit about users beyond milking them for all they're worth?
Maybe a dumb take, but I think milking customers for all they're worth is much better option than what HP is seemingly doing
which is milking them for all they're worth this quarter.
Like, there are companies with a cult like following (Valve comes to mind) and while they could probably increase profit for a quarter or two, they seem to be playing the long game fairly well. Which is ultimately better for everyone
they get more money over your lifetime, and you get a product that you're happy with.
Oh absolutely, I'm happy to shovel money at valve. I've contacted support quite a few times about index controllers (the joystick switch is trash and drifts after a lot of use) and they've always responded within hours and even RMAd one controller way of it warranty. Meta support responded almost instantly, but every single person was useless. After talking to 6 across 3 days, it was finally escalated. They took forever to contact me, I replied within 12 minutes, then the follow up was over 24 hours later. Every single time it took a day for their "specialist team" to respond. It took over a month to actually get them to accept the fact that they never boxed up the quest I ordered, and they still blamed the shipping company even though I received both packages and the quest was not in either, nor was either box even big enough to fit a fucking quest.
Fuck meta and fuck zuck.
They did provide good first party Linux support where other printer required the use of hacky reverse engineered drivers. Other than that...
https://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=dcpl2550dw_us&faqid=faq00100556_000
Both Brother and Samsung drivers are fine IMO, haven't had any problems for 10 years at least with printer drivers on Linux.
And I stopped using HP already in the 90's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_LaserJet_4
The HP LaserJet 4 (abbreviated sometimes to LJ4 or HP4) is a group of monochrome laser printers produced in the early to mid-1990s...
The LaserJet 4, especially the 4/4M/4+/4M+ models, have become known for their durability, mainly due to their reliable construction, as well as the printers built-in PCL (and optional PostScript) printer language support which is still used in computers to this day. Hewlett-Packard dominated the laser printing sector during this time in part due to their reliability, relatively affordable pricing, and the spread of LaserJet 4 models from personal use up to heavy business use.
HP was a good company back when they primarily made test equipment. They made very good equipment that was built to last. They had very detailed documentation and service manuals so you could repair everything yourself.
I set the bar too low. A lot of companies used to be fantastic, but apparently that doesn't rake in the cash as fast as being giant pieces of shit.
Firmware update, means the printers keep working with third party ink (HP loses). Bricking them, means you must buy another printer (HP has a 50:50 chance to win).
I don't think that's how probability works.
It is how it works if you are told to make a PowerPoint for senior leadership on how to squeeze the most possible short term money out of this situation
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What else ya’ got under that rock? Cuz’ these things brick themselves if you miss a monthly payment on your ink subscription.
Yes, the laser printer bricks itself if you miss a payment on your ink subscription...
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popular
[citation needed]
I guess having a lot of unhappy customers implies that a lot of people previously purchased the product.
Very possible they sold well if people didn't know about the requirement to be online.
I'm not sure there's another term for "sold well" that doesn't also imply people liked it.
Alternatively they could just be calling them plebeian.
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Oh, Brother!
They're also starting to offer a subscription only printer service in my country
<Insert here the "you were the chosen one" meme>
Good news: their printers never die. You can get a Brother laser printer that's 10 years old off a site like eBay and it will still be printing just fine in 2050. Mine is so old, it's USB 1.0.
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Brother laser printers are more consumer friendly and cheaper than HP. Epson's inkejet printers with ecotank are the better deal
PS: Fuck HP
As someone who sells both the ecotanks are good, but you dont quite get the yield they promise upfront.
Because the ink has to travel all the way from the reservoir at the front of the printer to the print head, there is much more distance that the ink has to travel, giving it more opportunity to dry out. To combat this, ecotanks need to purge much more frequently than traditional inkjets that mount the cartridges next to the print head. This requires shooting a lot of the ink through the lines at high speed/pressure in turn wasting ink.
Also, once this cleaning cycle has been run enough times, you need to replace the ink pad that absorbs all the ink used to clean out the printer. (Only costs 10 bucks)
All of this said, I still recommend them to folks who need to print photos at home, as their color accuracy is impressive for a CMYK printer, and while the yield isn't as high as they claim, it is still much cheaper per page than most other inkjets. But more often than not, I try to convince people to just get a monochrome Brother and use a printing service/shop that has a multi-thousand dollar photo printer when they need photos.
I have a monochrome brother laser/fax that is old af. I don't mess with color because like you said if I want photos printed I'm going to get the big-boy printer at the store to do it.
A million times this. Yet people never learn.
I have an old Brother monochrome laser printer as well. It works flawlessly
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I was beginning to think there was no limit to what consumers would take.
But apparently it's just that there is ALMOST no limit, which is better but we remain in a sad state of lack of consumer awareness.
Efficient free market economics requires something like perfect up-front information or zero switching cost to solve this. Those things are fictitious so, predictably, free market economics has not solved printer bullshit.
I'd like to see regulations addressing the up-front information aspect. If we require neon stickers for "needs account" "needs subscription" and "proprietary replacement parts" on all hardware products, people would be better able to dodge scams and cons like HP.
"Requires subscription. Monthly cost: $XX, total cost over 5y: $XXX" should do it
Or take the ad-supported option, where it prints out ads on your documents!
Ads for the toner, which they're wasting because fuck you, and also ads to not use third party anything, lest you want the printer and your computer bricked.
You mean consumers aren't both rational and omniscient?
"Popular"?
If it were popular they'd keep it...
They are popular since they cost less than non internet version. This is them removing the internet/subscription version that they were tricking people with.
They're just calling it popular so that that one guy - you know, Craig? - that one guy who likes it will blame other people instead of HP themselves.
Just don't buy HP. Problem solved.
Always beware of anyone trying to "provide users with a better experience".
So.... not popular?
If it was popular, they'd fix the issue. It's not popular, so they're just trashing it, like nearly everything else that comes out of HP
Sorry HP. You already sour'd me on everything you make.
When VARs call me if they do HP I tell them no. I won't work with anything HP.
Internet: article on HP printers
Me:
You have have my LaserJet 5 when you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.
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I've got a Canon printer & a Xerox scanner that will never be connected to the internet. the last printer I had that connected to the internet got the Office Space treatment when it wouldn't let me scan something because it was low on cyan
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hp is mark of shame
Surprised no one.
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