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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 98 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Greatest?" No. "Most popular for desktop users?" Yes.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Most common maybe. I feel most windows users aren’t actively choosing to use windows. It’s just what they are left with.

People usually choose to use Linux or Mac. As Linux is rarely preinstalled or like Mac more expensive (when it comes preinstalled) than the windows devices for sale. I’m not convinced given a fair shake, windows would have the market share it does.

Servers have highly informed people making decisions about their operating systems. When weighing the options about uptime, security, etc they rarely choose windows. Cost isn’t really a factor relative to the price and operation of the server.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, no, given an actual choice (even if it were exactly the same computer at exactly the same price), Linux would likely win out eventually if MS didn't massively step up their game. Windows has way too much stupid bullshit that its userbase is noseblind to: driver fuckery, installing applications by finding files on an Internet scavenger hunt, no built-in, centralized updating of applications, having to restart your PC for your OS to update, being consistently slower and more resource-hungry, needing a dedicated antivirus, bare minimum customization, not being able to uninstall completely useless shitware (e.g. Internet Explorer in goddamn 2024) and having the bloatware you can uninstall come back after updates (e.g. Candy Crush), the amount of dark patterns during installation, licensure bullshit, this new scheme of pressuring users into OneDrive by making it the default, ads in your "premium" OS, and I could just keep going.

MS could definitely still gatekeep their Office suite and their Copilot AI (for the few people who actually use the latter), but every other software vendor would start supporting Linux if the userbase moved there, and LibreOffice etc. (already fine for the basic office stuff most people do) would get the funding and contributors to implement more advanced functionalities.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

installing applications by finding files on an Internet scavenger hunt, no built-in, centralized updating of applications,

Windows has the Windows store for finding and centralizing updates. Just like installing linux apps that aren't in a package manager is a scavenger hunt without centrailized updates.

I'm glad Windows store isn't popular. I'd rather not have MS in control of my apps.

having to restart your PC for your OS to update

Consumer facing distros like Ubuntu want you to reboot after OS/Window manager updates. It's simply easier and more reliable than expecting the user to know all the dependencies of their programs.

The uninstallable bloatware has become a huge hassle for me. But consumers have become used to their iPhones with the preinstalled bloatware and apple iDrive ads built into the OS constantly nagging. So of course Microsoft copied Apple.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No one expects the Spanish preposition!

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Its chief weapon is expressing relations! Expressing relations and marking semantic roles!

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"most widely used", you mean. Nothing that Microsoft has ever produced wss ever "the greatest"

[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What about Age of Empires II?

[–] Elonkilledmymom@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ensemble studios was bought by Microsoft after AOE 2

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

There ya go

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think linux is more used than windows

In every environment but desktop it is

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All the flavors together maybe. But not if you think of any specific one.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

I mean, android is used by about 1 billion people

[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] konalt@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Short answer: Windows doesn't let you name a file "con".

Long answer: Tom Scott video

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (4 children)

NTFS in general has a bunch of ridiculous, archaic restrictions that a more modern-ish one like ext4 doesn't. Does NTFS still not allow you to use a question mark in your filename?

[–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Name a file in Linux ~ and then delete it again.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well if you put it in like that it would give an error. But if you used the right slash you can kiss your home folder goodbye probably. Maybe rm ./~ would work

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

~ resolves to your home folder only if it's at the beginning of a path. /~ isn't the same as ~. Go ahead and test it with something other than rm if you don't believe me (this is the Internet, I could be lying).

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Hey you're right, I tried it with rm because I'm a maniac.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 8 points 3 months ago

in tab completion I trust...

[–] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bro you either know what the fuck is in that file, or you shouldn't be renaming it in the first place.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

Unnamed(7)FinalFinalThisTimePlease?

[–] konalt@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Apparently not.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

the question mark is a wildcard, so is asterisk. slashes are used in paths. characters you can't use usually have implications for the OS. otherwise you can name your file pretty much anything.

[–] mke@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, I think it's just funny comparing it with the usual situation on Linux, where there's even less restrictions. I believe you can actually put a newline in a file name, for example, though I'll need to check and come back later.

I'd need to rename a massive amount of files if I ever wanted to go back to Windows.

P.S. yup. Generally, just avoid /, null, and you're good to go.

[–] listless@lemmy.cringecollective.io 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If only there were a special path like, oh I don't know, /dev for device handles.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

Small businesses like Microsoft don't have the funding to develop such an advanced system.

[–] MutatedBass@beehaw.org 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In Windows certain words are reserved for system use. When naming files and directories, you are unable to use these words. Con, being short for "console", is one of these words. Con is also the Spanish word for "with", so a Spanish speaking user could not, for example, have a directory called "Fotos con Jim".

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

i think you are only restricted if the entire name is "con"

someone with windows can test this out for us.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Con" has brought us such deliciousness as "con queso" and "con carne." It has my vote.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget arroz con leche!

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago

10/10 with rice

[–] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago
[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand this joke; anyone care to eli5?

[–] ziviz@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There are several reserved names in Windows. This is for backwards compatibility with mostly DOS programs. On your desktop, try and create a folder named "con", and Windows should flat-out refuse. (Same thing for "prn", "aux" and "nul")

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

lmao @ NUL. couldn't have gone with NIL?

[–] anhkagi@jlai.lu 6 points 3 months ago

or a french swear word

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not limited to 9X Windows, up until W10 that's still around because Microsofts big selling point is their shit works backwards for nigh-eternity

[–] dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago

in 9x it triggers a bsod tho