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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

I am a certified Linux user with almost 10 years of experience.

Please run the following command in a terminal:

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y

Let me know if this fixes your issue

- certified Linux expert

(I'm making fun of the 25 year Microsoft veterans on the support page that tell users to run SFC /scannow)

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[–] promitheas@programming.dev 127 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yea, why are Microsoft forums so bad? I have to use them sometimes as I work in IT and all our PCs run windows. Googling often leads me to their forums. The forums rarely lead me to a solution however

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 62 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hello,promitheas

Welcome to Linux Community.

It sounds like you are experiencing some quality issues using Microsoft forums, could you please provide some details to let us assist you better:

1->General System Information: Could you provide some details about your PC's hardware specifications? Specifically, the processor, amount of RAM, and the graphics card you are using.

2->System File Check: When you say you automatically checked system files, did you use the built-in System File Checker (SFC) tool? Did it report any issues, or did it indicate that everything was fine?

3->Event Viewer: In the Event Manager, can you provide more specific details about the critical errors you see? For example, the exact error messages and any associated error codes.

Have you researched the specific error messages you found in the Event Manager (e.g., Application Error, Application Hang, Windows Error Reporting, DbxSvc, DistributedCOM, nvlddmkm)? Understanding these errors can often provide clues about the root cause of the problem. In the meantime, are you getting a blue screen on your device, and if it's convenient, try to see if a small dump file has been generated in the corresponding path, which you can upload and share with me-<Read small memory dump files - Windows Client | Microsoft Learn>

4->Cooling and Hardware Issues: Have you noticed any unusual temperature increases while running games or any other hardware-related issues like unusual fan noises or system freezes?

5->Rollback to Previous Windows Version: If the issue started immediately after switching to Windows 11, have you considered rolling back to your previous Windows version temporarily to see if the crashes persist?

The five points of detail above are intended to give me a better understanding of the situation so that I can give potential advice and solutions.

Best regards,

ImplyingImplications |Microsoft Community Support Specialist

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Man that post is about three or four paragraphs too long to be any Microsoft form advisor post.

Usually it's a "Welcome to the forum, please run an update and sfc /scannow and try safe mode then clean install" then ghosting when you update saying it doesn't work

I mean it's just copy and paste boilerplate and has nothing to do with the problem so I think it's pretty accurate...

[–] promitheas@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

Oh man, this is fairly accurate

[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They are, however, aces at reiterating the problem.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 2 months ago

All those "active listening" skills to trick people into thinking you're paying attention or care. Lol

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago

I end up using some blog post when that happens because the forums make no sense

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Because the market share is so big, everyone can use it, and everybody wants a fucking participation prize.

[–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 2 months ago

maybe because a huge fraction of users wouldn't understand more advanced tutorials, or it'd be just too much effort

[–] TheDarkQuark@lemmy.world 71 points 2 months ago (1 children)
sudo: apt: command not found
[–] lengau@midwest.social 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I am a certified Linux user with over 20 years of experience.

Please run the following command in a terminal:

sudo dnf install apt

And then try the instructions above. Let me know if this fixes your issue

  • certified Linux expert
[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
sudo: dnf: command not found
[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ah you seem to be missing dnf. No worries! Just do pacman -S dnf

Then you can run

dnf install apt

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Package managers-ception moment XD

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's asking me for a password. OMG why doesn't it know it's me and do what I tell it.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You joke but ssu is for that (since you are logged in already, why ask for a password).

Edit: this is for single-user systems. Makes yay (AUR helper) pretty convenient.

[–] RustyNova@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

Oh no. This is so bad. Who in their right mind would assume that a login user remains the same user throughout the session!?

Oh wait. Windows.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

why ask for a password.

To give the user an extra second to realise they're doing dumb shit, and should stop?

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Also, so that a random program you run as an wheel user can't just get root access without asking.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Like, editing a /etc/config file or installling a package. You're ading ssu to already, you're aware you're doing root tasks.

[–] tsl@lemmy.stefanoprenna.com 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Very often sfc /scannow will ask for an installation media, which, in a corporate environment, means sending the machine to onsite support for either "fixing" or "reimaging". It's basically the command you should try first if you don't want to help someone fixing the issue. "See? There is something wrong with your installation, you should fix that before doing anything else..."

I used that trick a few times myself to get rid of poorly behaving people.

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What's the point of sfc /scannow if it's going to require an installation media to use, isn't that the point of a recovery partition? Does Windows just not ship with that Anymore?

[–] tsl@lemmy.stefanoprenna.com 4 points 2 months ago

Oh, I don't know how it is nowadays, I have switched to Linux since many years ago...

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] tsl@lemmy.stefanoprenna.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But it did MOST of the times...

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] tsl@lemmy.stefanoprenna.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would say around 15 years ago, it was Windows XP

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago
[–] maniel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

And don't forget to press kudos button if it fixes your problem

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I remember when SFC was first introduced, I excitedly wrote a script to invoke it remotely so I could use it on a user’s pc when they called to fix their problem. To this day I have never run that script. This was in 1998.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its useful for fixing a Windows install after fixing a bad ram. Sometimes the utility gets corrupted so you need to fix it first.

I think it would be a great idea if some of the immutable Linux distros had a integrity checker like sfc

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 months ago

I think on mutable distros, or at least arch, you can run a command to reinstall all installed packages, which will verify integrity of the package files (signatures) and then ensure the files in the filesystem match package files? And I think it takes minutes at most, at least for typical setups.

I do think it's also possible to just verify integrity of all files installed from a package, but I don't remember if it required an external utility, pretty sure it's on the arch wiki under pacman/tips and tricks

[–] alphapuggle@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

SFC has worked numerous times for me, usually for botched updates. Haven't used it in a long time after leaving tech support

[–] doughless@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I've tried using SFC multiple times and had it work zero times. One time after SFC failed to find anything wrong, I ended up fixing the machine by replacing the system file with a copy from a working machine.

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I enjoy red hat's paid support articles that end by saying this is untested and may not work but it was added to the knowledge base 10 years ago

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

You joke but one time after a fresh install I genuinely forgot to update (the linux header files or something) and some of the device drivers weren't working

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Dist-upgrade