This game should be one of the most prominent examples of sunk cost fallacy
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Marketing and sales strategies are excellent for this game. It unifies in game purchases focused on whales like with mobile games and selling early access to an alpha. There’s also an aspect of collectibles and exclusivity like with NFTs. It‘s also cult like in many aspects. An utopian perfectionist vision evangelized by a prophet.
Everyone who bought in defending the practices is a perfect example of cultish behaviour and copium.
Heck, I bought in, but I only paid $20. And I never played a minute.
It’s that that decade long grift disguised as a game?
I used to work with a guy who had thrown away upwards of $10,000 at this game. The last time it came up, he told me he had spent over $8,000, and that was several years ago and he didn't seem to be showing any signs of slowing down. When I asked him what he got for that money, he showed me the one ship he has. He had one ship. The rest were still in development and wouldn't even be released for years.
He spent more than some cars cost, for a handful of digital space ships, 90% of which aren't even finished. I have no idea how to reason with people who do this sort of thing.
People like this get to piss away money while millions go homeless without a meal today.
I don't understand some people.
These people have a mental illness. They’re being taken advantage of by unscrupulous companies. They’re in exactly the same boat as people with gambling addictions. We should feel bad for them, but not (always*) as bad as homeless folks, who are still worse off.
*One of my elementary school teachers was married to a gambling addict. The guy was secretly hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and had stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of heavy construction equipment to pay off some of his loans. The guy ended up in a police chase and took his own life before he could be arrested. His wife, the teacher, was left massively in debt (he had secretly remortgaged the family house to pay for gambling debts) and grieving the loss of her husband but also in shock at discovering the extent of his crimes and debts. Really awful situation and nothing but profits for the casinos!
Star Citizen
"drying funds"
Have we checked to make sure they don't have a banana stand nearby? Specifically looked at the walls?
What could a Star Citizen cost? Eight hundred million dollars?
The good old Scam Citizen!
Maybe they can get Elon Musk to take over the company and maximize the grift with an immersive VR promise.
Same news all the time.
Jesus christ. People need to realize that this is a scam. No video game is worth thousands of your dollars, especially a decade old game still in alpha.
It isn't a scam, just incredibly mismanaged. Chris Robert's has a very hard time saying "this is good enough" and that makes the company bleed money as they repeatedly remake things. People then don't tell Chris no. They weren't making a good space Sim, they were making the best darn space Sim evah!
They've completely redone the flight model several times to various levels of success. Time frames get so damm long that they have to go back and remake huge chunks of the game in order to keep things up to snuff graphically.
I get the feeling that they never felt the need to stress out about timelines as the funding kept rolling in, in fact the funding accelerated over time! The game has 183 different ships all designed down to the tiniest detail in the game right now. That's a fuck ton of work hours, but ship sales gets the funding rolling so they have to keep cranking out new ships.
I do really like playing the game, but it is really a shitshow for management. There was one point where they had to throw away a massive amount of work because one studio was making things that didn't fit the metrics for scale and animation of the rest of the game.
Edit: and ships are a dumb thing to buy anyway! You can earn them in game anyway for really not all that much work. It's the most cost inefficient grind skip I've ever seen in a game.
this is just a long winded way of saying it's a scam. if you ask for money promising something and you have no plan of delivering, it's a scam.
they have to keep developing and redeveloping because they have a bunch of idiots with more money than sense pumping money to them. if they actually finish the game and release it chances are revenue will come crashing down. selling a promise is much better than selling a finished product because people like to wishcast and throw money at their own hopes and imagination. anything missing they fill in the blanks. surely the game will deliver eventually.
It's a scam.
Where does he say "have no plan of delivering", out of interest? I've re read it a few times and can't find that.
what's the plan? when is it coming out? no one has to say it; there's no plan.
It is out, get on youtube and watch someone play.
it's out? I can finally buy the finished product? awesome! I couldn't find it on steam though. surely it must have come out on steam, such a big release.
maybe I'm typing "star citizen" wrong. could you link me to the store page? thank you for informing me, I'm so ready to take back everything I said once I start playing.
considering the amount of people already playing SC, I wouldn't expect it to be on steam, but that's also not what they said, is it?
must be the world's worst scam if they are actually spending money to make something.
i don't care about people alpha testing unfinished games. I've been talking about release. they said "it's out". where is it. what's the plan. when was it finished. why is it not out. stop trying to feed me bullshit, you're confusing me with someone who lives on hype alone. if I were I'd be playing the star citizen half-game myself.
I mean you don't live on hype, neither do i, but you do live on hate, as someone else here already pointed out, in fact you seem to engaged by hating this game, and anyone who likes it, it seems unhealthy. idk, maybe do some introspection if the yearly star citizen clickbait makes you rage to this degree and consider not using the web for a while, and seeing the rest of your comments across the site only backs up this assessment.
you have called for people to be jailed due to not making the games you want, ffs
hate? what's with you guys weirdly anthropomorphizing a game that's only maybe halfway done in a decade? you got too invested, too attached maybe, that someone calling it a scam seems "hateful" however that works? rage? lol wtf have you seen anyone rage before, mate? calling something a scam is not personal, it's not even an attack. and it's definitely something I live on. I have called people to be jailed for swindling.
how much money has this game extracted from dummies over the past decade? how much money's worth is "playable"? I was gonna say "out" since that was the original claim but obviously the answer is zero. the games not out. but I'll settle for playable since apparently you guys have already given up hope on an actual release and have settled on playing half baked demos bit by bit.
pointing out that you're being scammed is not hate. it's a wake up call. I understand though, an alarm clock seems hateful to me too when I'm enjoying my dream too much.
you should see me talk about the cybertruck.
you called Ubisoft to be jailed because they dissolved your favorite game studios, also your entire basis in calling it a scam is it not being done in a time span to your liking, what else is this but a poor excuse for you to dogpile some hate on something other?
sorry i didnt realize you were rummaging through my comment history to find something to attack because you cant come up with a good argument in the relevant conversation so i thought you meant i was talking about this scam.
I don't know what depths of your ass you pulled that the team of the latest prince of persia is my "favorite game studio". I think you should be jailed for playing with people's livelihoods despite their success merely for more profit, yes.
a time span to my liking? how about any time span? tell me when it's coming out mate. where's the plan? you don't know why I'm calling it a scam, you don't know what I criticized about it... why is it so hard for you to follow a conversation?
I wouldn't say running through, I did see it while looking at other stuff tho
and yes, a time span to your liking, because you clearly don't actually care about any of the work they are doing, so by your definition anything you see that's not already done the first time you see it is a scam that should get someone tossed in jail
the first time I see it?
you think this is the first motherfucking gameplay video that I've seen from this motherfucking game in ten motherfucking years?
no one said anything about a time span to my liking.
either read the conversation you're trying to contribute to or just stop talking about irrelevant shit.
I'm asking for the plan.
#where's the plan, lebowski? where's the fucking plan?
Are you asking this about any other games? GTA6 doesn't have a release date yet, do you have the same worry?
... Genuinely, I do see the difference between the two, but it's weird to me that people are calling it out for things that aren't said. They say enough; if you can't make complaints based on reality, that's a bit lazy.
Edit: for what it's worth, I'll "move the goalposts" on this one if you come back with some nonsense around how they haven't delivered anything yet. I've played a fair few hours on my ship (probably a few hundred over the last decade), despite not having invested millions of pounds.
if you ask for money promising something and you have no plan of delivering, it's a scam.
I don't know how gta6 fits here. if they did the same thing yes I would absolutely call it a scam.
Sorry, I'm confusing a conversation I saw the other day that said we'd have had two GTAs in the same time star citizen had been in development for. Weird comparison.
Do you think they don't intend to deliver? If so, we fundamentally disagree.
Mismanagement or bad planning is not a scam.
Why is this a scam?
Seven hundred million dollars
More like 850 at this point
We need to start using this game as a unit to measure mismanagement.
"In total, the project cost us approximately .51 Star Citizens."
Concord cost approximately .29 Star Citizens.
Sometimes I wish No Man's Sky and Elite Dangerous would combine their talents into one game just to get Star Citizen to shut up permanently.
Each one could use features from the other. Add in a dynamic user controlled economy, and suddenly everything SC has been promising after wasting hundreds millions of dollars would be right there.
As much crap Frontier gets, they made a killer custom game engine which perfectly makes it hugely immersive from day one, which shouldn't be surprising considering the original Elite was the first proper wireframe 3D graphics game.
Hello Games got a proper roasting for releasing a shell game, but they actually bounced back. Their planet generation and surface gameplay is unmatched, and their updates outshine Frontier's.
ED started out as a crowdfund too, and No Man's Sky as essentially a startup. Both of these game's received their fair share of criticism, but ultimately they produced a solid 4/5 game. Meanwhile Scam Citizen has been bankrolling for 12 years now, yet they hardly seem to receive the same level of criticism as ED ans NMS got for comparatively much much smaller issues.
It is noted for being one of the highest-funded crowdfunding projects, having raised over US$700 million as of May 2024
wth
but that's not how it works is it, you can't just super Sayan fusion two games now can you?
PS: about the criticism, this is literally the annual "SC bad" post from these publications, generally complete with random ass unnamed sources and others (when the guy lying to you based off conformable fake shit like a "work ID" as proof of employment is the better source, eg. Derek Smart)
Squadron “Feature Complete” 42
Nothing says complete like a month of crunch for the demo
feature complete =/= done
So they've been telling us it is done and just needs polish/finishing touches. If that's the case it is odd they'd need sudden forced overtime for a simple demo...
emm... what do you think "feature complete" is? it is, as I just said, not "done"
Usually means almost ready for release not many years away.
Hell even in their own words it's just around the corner.
As we move into the polishing phase, we’re fully focused on optimizing and fine-tuning all aspects of the gameplay experience to deliver an unprecedented cinematic adventure
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/19453-Squadron-42-I-Held-The-Line
no, no it does not, It means it is feature complete, that is all, feature complete meaning "we are about to release" is some radical redefinition shit you are doing to justify your feelings
I like how you are arguing against their own wording of the state of the game from the Devs.
I just want the fucking game I kickstarted but have given up on ever having it delivered. Of course to you that just means i'm a generic "hater".
I don't remember them saying "done", I remember them saying "feature complete", just because you don't know what that means doesn't mean they lied