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[–] solrize@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's just about LFP which are very common now. The new trend is sodium ion instead of lithium ion. CATL (battery manufacturer in China) is shipping those now, and they are starting to appear in some cars.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How's the density compared to LFP?

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I believe it's notably worse. The focus seems to be more on industrial use cases with stationary batteries.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I think somewhat worse, but try a web search. One attraction iirc is very fast charging.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

LFP is not new. It's been in cars since Fisker integrated A123's batteries. CATL and other manufacturers have been churning out LFP in volume for over a decade now.

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You do realize a decade is a very short time for something at a scale this large with complex interactions that needs to be reliable, efficient and reproducible at scale. Plus long term tests take time because it is a factor to many clients to see if they can handle at least a decade.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 months ago

Yes I do and LFP has been manufactured and integrated at scale for a very long time.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The savings arrived just in time to counteract the Trump Elon 100% EV tariff. So the cars will just stay the same price

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Surely the savings will be passed to the consumers…

[–] Acters@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

No the customers(ie the manufacturers) will get the savings. Consumers get to pay the same amount while being harvested as much data as possible

[–] schizoidman@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

lFP batteries are not new. The BYD E6 had them since 2009