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[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If they call it a "sale" rather than a "licensing" then I consider myself entitled to remove the DRM (which I do to all my Kindle ebooks, for example) or to download a cracked copy for archiving (which I do to some games I wish to keep, if I haven't bought them on GOG or another DRM-free platform). Common sense and ethics dictate that I am in my right to do this.

If companies are relying on a technicality - an obscure one to the general public, even though techies have been aware of this issue for over a decade - to hoodwink people and charge actual-purchase prices for mere licensing, then I am relying on the implicit tenets of morality, good faith and common sense to bypass their malicious and bad faith distortions. Artificial scarcity be fucked, I paid what they claim is a fair price for what they claim is the purchase of a digital good, so I shall treat it with Animus Domini just as I do with any physical purchase. This includes lending to others as per the First Sale doctrine.

The fact that the seller consciously chose to contradict themselves, calling it a purchase out in the open and a licensing deal in the fine print, should it ever work to someone's disadvantage, should obviously be to the disadvantage of the person who intentionally made the blunder, not to good faith third parties. This is a well-established principle of legal ethics and Civil Law which is adopted by legal scholars the world over. Whether or not they have failed to apply it to these specific cases is wholly irrelevant to its validity, and I apply it to my own dealings with a perfectly clear conscience.

I legally purchase all my media, and I will use any and all means necessary to protect my good faith acquisitions, including those which are incontroversially illegal for those who have not purchased that piece of media, such as downloading cracked software, because this is simply done to remedy an inexcusable omission on the part of those who claim to have sold me a copy of that software but don't provide me with the possibility to archive my copy locally. So long as these transactions are referred to openly as purchases, sales, etc. I shall continue to act in this way to enforce their overt nature over the malicious mischaracterization contained in their licensing.

In other words, slimeballs, have the guts to call it licensing and renting. Until you do, I and many like me will continue to make your lies come true and there is realistically nothing you can do to stop us.

[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well said good sir or madam!

[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you, dear madam or sir!

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The only person who actually owns IP is the person selling it

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, if I buy a Mickey Mouse plush from Disney, Disney still owns Mickey Mouse (it's Steamboat Willie that expired), but I certainly own that individual Mickey Mouse plush and Disney can't kick in my door or put a lien on my house to retrieve it. Similarly, if I download an .mp3 of Banana Boat the estate of Harry Belafonte still owns the rights to the song, but I own that copy of that song and they can't kick in my laptop or put a lien on my graphics card (I hate that I have to mention this, but I know that's not what these companies do and I have made what is called a "joke" in some circles, likening it to physical repo guys repoing files, see.)

[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

I swear to God if I click this link and it isn't a simple

[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Never have been.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I do own the games I bought from GOG, not the ones I licenced from Steam.

[–] Joker@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can't legally donate, resell or share the games you bought from both companies.

You don't own your games.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, I don't care about what's legal. At least with GOG there's no DRM so it can't physically stop me doing what I want with them.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Many Steam games don't have DRM either. Just no nice installers like with GOG. Ones which have Steam launch requirement can be launched without it via Steam Emulators or custom SteamAPI.dll

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You don't even own the ones on disk you own a license to play the game.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Be warned though even if you buy music from BandCamp (a DRM free platform) they can and will take it away.
Noticed a song was missing from Spotify, "oh good thing I bought it on BandCamp" but when I opened the app it was gone there too!

The song is "sick boi" from Ren and it was taken down due to licensing BS that literally wasn't the artists fault at all. Explanation for those who want the details and a BANGER diss he made in response

[–] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

they can and will take it away

The example you give is more "have to take down because of legal requirements" than "can and will".

If you downloaded it you still have it though. Which is the big difference.

[–] Kissaki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Whoa, I'm getting dizzy while scrolling. That background…

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes.

Text to the contrary is bullshit. It can and should be ignored, rejected, and opposed.