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Tesla Whistleblower Says 'Autopilot' System Is Not Safe Enough To Be Used On Public Roads::"It affects all of us because we are essentially experiments in public roads."

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is it really whistleblowing if what they're leaking is already common knowledge?

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

Proof by looking at internal information and data.

The data leaked by Krupski included lists of Tesla employees, often featuring their social security numbers, in addition to thousands of accident reports, and internal Tesla communications. Handelsblatt and others have used these internal memos and emails as the basis for stories on the dangers of Autopilot and the reasons for the three-year delay in Cybertruck deliveries. From NYT:

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I lost all trust in their 'Autopilot' the day I read Musk said (Paraphrasing) "All we need are cameras, there's no need for secondary/tertiary LIDAR or other expensive setups"

Like TFYM? No backups?? Or backups to the backups?? On a life fucking critical system?!

[–] lefaucet@slrpnk.net 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bot to be a hard-on about it, but if the cameras hace any problem autopilot ejects gracefully and hands it over to the driver.

I aint no elon dicj rider, but I got FSD andd the radar would see manhole covers and freak the fuck out. It was annoying as hell and pissed my wife off. The optical depth estimation is now far more useful than the radar sensor.

Lidar has severe problems too. I've used it many times professionally for mapping spaces. Reflective surfaces fuck it up. It delivers bad data frequently.

Cameras will eventually be great! Really they already are, but they'll get orders of magnitude better. Yeah 4 years ago the ai failed to recognize a rectagle as a truck, but it aint done learning yet.

That driver really should have been paying attention. Thee car fucking tells you to all the time.

If a camera has a problem the whole system aborts.

In the future this will mean the car will pull over, but it''s, as it makes totally fucking clear, in beta. So for now it aborts and passes control to the human that is payong attention.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

ejects gracefully and hands it over to the driver.

Just in time to slam you into an emergency vehicle at 80...but hey...autopilot wasn't on during the impact, not Musk's fault.

[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

or other expensive setups

As much as I lost trust in his bullshittery a long time ago, his need to mention the cost of critical safety systems is what stuck out to me the most here. That's how you know the priorities are backwards.

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Skimping on cost is how disasters happen. Ask Richard Hammond. "Spared no expense" my ass, hire more than 2 programmers, you cheap fuck.

Edit: This was supposed to be a Jurassic Park reference, but my dumb ass mixed up John Hammond and Richard Hammond. That's what I get for watching Top Gear and reading at the same time.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Were Richard Hammond’s many crashes a result of cost skimping? If so, I had no idea. Could you elaborate?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that Hammond’s serious crashes were a combination of bad luck and getting a bit too spicy when driving in some already-risky situations. I, too, would appreciate some corroboration.

[–] ericisshort@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Same here. I did a little googling and can’t find any corroborating evidence, but I also learned that Hammond’s Grand Tour insurance premiums are now more expensive than Top Gear’s budgets were for entire specials.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago

I mean… given that he has had two very well documented and life-threateningly catastrophic crashes in the course of making car shows… the insurance company underwriting his policies isn’t out of line.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Tesla "autopilot" averages one airbag deployment every five million miles.

The average driver in the U.S. averages one every 600,000 miles.

Idk. Doesn't seem like it works perfectly, but it does seem to work pretty well.