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hi,

pretty much the subject... I am trying to choose my next laptop and I am tempted to buy a framework 13 AMD. I saw this post from one year ago : https://www.phoronix.com/review/framework-13-amd

and while the review is impressive, comments are not. how things have evolved since then? any experience?

EDIT: you convinced me, I just ordered mine. Thanks for the incredible answers !
NEW EDIT: I use arch (btw), and Gnome. For the answers, I do not think this will pose a problem but... what do you think?
(and yes, I ordered mine before reading last comment of paequ2 who doesn't like it... for reasonable reasons, maybe. I hope I will have more luck ;) )

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[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I just bought one a couple of months ago. It’s my daily driver. My work issued laptop sits on my desk, and I carry my framework around. If you’re a Linux guy, fedora runs fantastic on it - everything works, couldn’t be easier. Battery life could be better, but it’s fine. Trackpad is great, I heard some bitchin about it, but I don’t get that hate. Some complaints about the hinges and how they bounce. Again, unfounded complaints in my opinion. The hinges are stiffer to open/close than I expected, but they are fine (just a little different feeling). New webcam is great for a laptop webcam. New screen is nice - but let’s be honest, not much touches an apple screen. Sound is ok, nothing special. The case is fantastic-people (engineers and nerds) drool over it. The swappable ports are awesome, that alone makes the laptop imo. But the real star is the serviceability of it. Five screws and the whole thing comes apart. Everything can be replaced and upgraded. They even give you the screwdriver you need to take it apart. Bios updates work with fwupdate in Linux and they update regularly. Keyboard feels good. It stays cool and fans don’t go crazy.

It’s expensive. But I love mine. But I do plan on keeping it and upgrading forever - or at least until I smash it accidentally, so maybe it wasn’t expensive.

The 13 doesn’t have a gpu. It’s capable, but if you want to game on it, look at the 16. If you have specific questions I’d be happy to answer or post a vid/pic or something.

[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I read through those comments - there’s actually more complaints than those. Those weren’t that bad.

They updated the fan curves recently, mine runs fine. Fans aren’t silent when humming along, but normal use they aren’t even spinning.

Sleep is always a bitch on Linux. It doesn’t have great sleep life. I just shut mine down at the end of the day, and close the lid during the day.

I believe they fixed the amd graphics issues. I should have noted that I have a core ultra chip. I wish I had gotten the amd chip - but guess what - no biggie, I can upgrade later!

There was a complaint about the windows key. I will admit that I ordered the Linux keyboard and it pissed me off that I got a keyboard with a windows key. But I didn’t make a stink, I just deal with it.

There was fingerprint reader complaints. Mine just worked. Dunno what that was about.

My vote is a firm “buy a framework” and get a fun color. People will be jealous.

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[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 days ago

I'm sporting a Framework 16 since a few months and had some battery problems at first. Due to work load, I couldn't really get into the problem and something I changed or updated resolved it.

But I sent a mail to framework support at that time and the answer was just awesome.
Not just some typical 1st level response to update or restart, but real technical questions and obvious interest in my problem.
They even sounded a bit sad, that I couldn't really tell them anything, because the issue resolved without me being able to pinpoint it.

On that note, I also have to say, that Tuxedo support was really good.
My Pulse 15 battery was starting to get a belly, and they sent me a new one without much questions - and no pay.
Now, after like 4-5 years, I have my old Pulse to my nephew and saw that the CMOS battery is dead. Again they just sent me a new one.

Some companies really deserve to get recommended.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a Framework 13 AMD running Linux Mint. It works great and I love it. Modular IO ports are super nifty.

Here are the downsides as I see them:

  1. Price
  2. No touch screen
  3. No wifi 7

I expect 2&3 will come in the future and I can upgrade! The fact that I can upgrade rather than throw it away in the future offsets 1.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Can you not use an M.2 wifi card? Or do wifi 7 cards not exist yet?

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

According to Framework support, there are no supported models as of yet.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Yay, It's always gonna be Yay

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I've been trying to sell mine. Went down to 60% of the original price and no takers.

My tip: Don't take funny-colored borders or funny keyboards unless you're 120% sure you don't want to sell it in half a year.

[–] mranachi@aussie.zone 6 points 3 days ago

Still trying to sell? Would you ship to aus?

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can speak to longevity - I have a gen 1, batch 2 (humble brag?) - and absolutely love it. Got me to switch over to linux, and the quality is there. Minor gripe about the trackpad sticking intermittently, and had to have the hinges replaced (both known issues, resolved). 10/10 great laptop

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Minor gripe about the trackpad sticking intermittently

Aaaah!!! It's not just me! I used a track pad on another computer and realized the Framework's stickiness wasn't just in my head!

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh dude no, it's a headache! I wrote to them once and they said it was an issue with the balance plate/sensor.

Apparently the quick fix is to click the bottom center of the trackpad 5x, then test it (I do so by clicking top corners). I find it hit and miss haha. Going inside, you can adjust the placement of that plate, but I never found that useful.

Did you notice if it seemed to improve a bit with time?

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago

Did you notice if it seemed to improve a bit with time?

Mmm... no. I just more violently drag across the trackpad until it works and then resume what I was doing. 😅

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 5 days ago (3 children)

YES! Big yes. I have one as well. Very pleased with it. Be very sure you pick the new 2.8k display version. So either pick 7640U - 2.8K Display or 7840U - 2.8K Display. Which works great for Linux, WITHOUT the need of fractional scaling.

Also be sure to pick the correct + right amount of expansion cards for your needs. 1 USB-C will be used for charging, so just saying.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Then if you installed your distro of choice, be sure to install power-profiles-daemon for improved battery life. So the chip goes to a lower power state. More info: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/optimizing-ubuntu-battery-life-Sye_48Lg3

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 5 days ago

Apart from that, everything else should just work fine out of the box under any modern Linux distro most likely. The only downside I had with my Framework 13 laptop is the sound quality, because the speakers are down firing. You might like that or not. But you can definitely live with it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hmmm... I've been using Bazzite on my FW16 and it's been running great. They have a distro image specifically built for Framework, and it's been great in terms of power management.

I wonder if that stuff is covered in the Bazzite FW installation? Anyone know? I guess I can check...

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

I have had that laptop a couple weeks and have been loving it. On fedora, everything pretty much just works flawlessly with no effort. I had a small issue figuring out how to turn off secure boot at first (f2 at boot time I think?) because that menu was separate from the rest of bios.

Other than the speaker not being great (not surprising) and the battery life being meh, it's a very impressive machine. Mac laptops for me have always been the gold standard for smooth operation but I despise apple, so when I got this machine and it felt mostly like the smoothness of a MacBook pro with the freedom of Linux, I was super stoked about this laptop. It feels very snappy and the keyboard and touchpad are great.

[–] Discover5164@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i have the intel one, i love it.

it matches with my definition of laptop, portable, 2k screen, the battery lasts a lot and a bit touchpad.

i have kde 6.x so i also have TouchPad gestures.

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[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I'm super picky with laptops and have a bunch. Thinkpads, Macbooks... Framework 13 AMD is my daily driver that I prefer over all of those. It runs brilliantly with NixOS. I would buy it again in a heartbeat.

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[–] the16bitgamer@programming.dev 13 points 4 days ago

So I have a Framework 13 AMD with Mint. Framework on older firmware isn’t the best, but with Mint 22 and by extension 24.04 it’s fine.

Got mine back in December and had no issues with the installation process. Games play fine though the fan goes to 100% after a bit. But with power profile in 22.1 it can quiet the machine down.

Other than that and the occasional hiccup. Compared to other laptops it’s the best machine I’ve used. So far no issues with only a few times of opening the terminal to fix minor issues.

[–] PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social 3 points 3 days ago

I have the AMD edition and overall the laptop is nice but since I received the laptop about 9 months ago the screen broke 4 times. I only got it back 2 or so weeks ago from the repaircenter so I have only been able to actually use it for a few weeks. So my experience is pretty terrible so far. I honestly have no faith the screen is durably fixed this time but let's see, I'm pretty done with it.

[–] randombullet@programming.dev 4 points 4 days ago

I can actually game one the AMD one pretty okay. Couldn't with Intel. Battery life also increased by 30 minutes.

[–] tath@social.tath.link 8 points 4 days ago

I recently picked up a Framework 16 (AMD with GPU to replace an aging gaming laptop used for travel) and love it. Linux (OpenSUSE Tumbleweed) works wonderful. Thinking about picking up the 13 when I need to replace my other laptop when it's time for that.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I have both the 13 and the 16. Absolutely love them.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I currently own a Framework 13... and... after daily driving it for a year, I decided I don't like it.

The deal beaker for me is the high dpi display. Linux just isn't 100% compatible with hpi displays. I'm tired of my apps either having blurry fonts or tiny text. Ironic because hi dpi displays are supposed to look better.

With Framework, you'll be pushed into using Fedora (it doesn't solve all the scaling issues) or pushed to stop using apps you like because they're using older GTK (some times there are no alternatives). You'll also have to dive into debugging scaling issues.

I just switched back to my Dell XPS 13 9310 FHD and it was a breath of fresh air having everything just work. Any distro, any apps, no scaling debugging, text is readable and crisp, app UI elements look properly sized.

I only ever switched out the modular ports once, but honestly it would have been better to buy a dongle instead because that would work on any computer.

Oh, and I tried the higher resolution screen. It didn't fix the scaling issues.

Oh, and, I actually had a display fail on me! After like 8 months, half the display went black. Thankfully, they were nice enough to send me a free replacement, but it definitely left me feeling like the Framework isn't that sturdy or durable.

The shell also dents easily. I dropped a small music player from desk height onto the top lid and it left a small dent. (I have like 3 dents on the lid.)

Repairability is the one feature that the Framework beats everyone else on, but to me the cons outweigh the pros.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Framework 16 with the same display and linux mint user.
Pushed towards fedora? What? I also have no issues whatsoever with the screen or igpu of amd, so i wonder what you were using there and with what chipset.
Ive been daily driving mine for nearly a year now ( amd chipset and igpu) and none of those issues at all...

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[–] PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I had the same display failure, but 4 times in about 9 months. It made me pretty done with the whole thing. I only got the laptop back from the repair centre 2 or so weeks ago but I have no faith the issue is properly fixed now. Let's see how it turns out, if it happens again I'm going to throw this thing out of the window.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago

This was my failure.

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[–] freezy@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Does anyone have experience running the 13 with linux and an eGPU by any chance?

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Via TB4? If I'm not mistaken Oculink eGPU adapter is only possible with the Framework 16. It may worth waiting to perhaps get the new Arrow Lake with a discrete TB5

[–] freezy@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yes, that would be via TB4 for now...

[–] Amaterasu@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Got it, the performance in the the TB4 for eGPU isn't very good, with a degradation of 30% or more in some cases

[–] 5PACEBAR@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I can confirm the Intel version of the Framework 13 works amazingly with an eGPU (Fedora). 11th gen was my daily driver until I upgraded to a Framework 16 😎

[–] freezy@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

nice, that sounds great

[–] somenonewho@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

I was like batch 5 of the AMD framework 13 running Arch and Gnome on it.

I did have some problems with suspend/nvme drive that was fixed by replacing the nvme. If you go with their drive you'll probably be fine (I just grabbed one I had laying around). Ever since then the laptop is perfect. If you do get it check out the Archwiki article that has a lot of helpful tips for tuning your OS to the Hardware

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I got mine last January and it's been pretty much flawless on Arch with KDE and Wayland. No regrets whatsoever. Battery life is probably the only weakness, but I also push my stuff hard. Overall, I'm super satisfied with the choice.

[–] harsh3466@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have had one for about three weeks no (13" and), and it's fabulous. Habent had any issues. Running fedora 41. I love it.

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[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I bought one last summer and the only problems I've had were some display issues which were solved by adding kernel parameters to disable all of the amdgpu power management (which as far as I can tell doesn't even increase power usage noticeably). Other than that it has been basically perfect and way better than any other laptop I've had. I wish it had real suspend, but that's just not possible on modern CPUs so that's not Framework's fault

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Yes, of course. Check for a refurb on sale though from the official store. No sense in paying full price for a 2 year old reference.

[–] tiny@midwest.social 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I have loved my AMD framework . 3:2 aspect ratio took awhile to get used to but I love it now. Only thing I need to figure out getting the USB c ports to work but everything else has worked flawlessly

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[–] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The comments didn't seem bad to me. Some people were complaining about an HP laptop's power efficiency, but the framework's is fine. Also, the intel ones have noisier fans, but the amd is perfectly quiet in daily use. I have two real complaints with mine: while the power draw is low in use, it uses idle sleep, so it doesn't last that long asleep (longer than awake, so a few days to a week). You can of course power it off for longer term stuff, and boot times aren't bad so that really isn't a huge issue for me. The other one was a bit of a pain until I found the solution. All of the integrated amd GPUs from that gen have a problem on linux where they randomly get buggy and the whole ui drops to like 2 fps. It is resolved with a kernel parameter (sounds complicated but takes 5 min and a reboot. I will edit this with the steps when I get to my laptop). The frameworks generally improve over time. I wouldn't get a 16 yet, but my brother and I both got 13 amds several months ago and are very happy with them.

Edit: Nearly forgot, it came with an "AMD" (mediatek) wifi card. I replaced it with an ax210 as soon as I got it and would recommend you do the same. Amd requires laptop manufacturers to put the amd card in but it kinda sucks IMO.

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