US needs to be a lot more transparent about all these concerns. It's starting to feel like shouting wolf.
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Let's also remember that "U.S. officials" now describes MAGA flunkies that replaced actually qualified professionals.
This is just so fun to watch.
America: "Executive order now! No US person is allowed to help the Chinese develop these technologies! We will imprison you traitor!"
China: "OK. We'll just develop it ourselves." DeepSeek enters the chat
America: "Fuck! National security emergency!"
NOOOOOOOOO
MYY YACHT MONEYYYYYYYY
Of course it's a national security threat, it's just more proof that the US economy is just a giant ponzi scheme.
If China can do it better on a budget of $6m in 18 months with low end equipment, then why does it take an American company 10 years, half a trillion dollars, and the entire nation's supply of high-end graphics cards?
China built it in cave, with a box of scraps!
The model isn’t afaik. I.e., if you download one of the models and run it locally. It’s the app with folks pasting proprietary, company secret, etc data into it.
Really, it’s the same problem as with ChatGPT, but now an organization in another country has your data. I guess we’ll see if our new techno bro overlords try to use this to their advantage across the board to limit competition, even from local processing.
Taking bets.
I just find it amusing how when proprietary data/company secrets/whatever are being sent to openAI it's a matter of "that was irresponsible don't let it happen again" but some guy in Kentucky isn't able to get a detailed description of Tiananmen Square from the US perspective without a little effort and it's the end of national security as we know it.
Same with the tiktok ban. How many classified military secrets do we think some regular dude in a trailer in Alabama really has on his phone?
"National Security" in the US is literally just code for rich people's bank accounts at this point.
The War Thunder forum is a greater threat to "national security" than any of this AI whohash. Something, something, nickle...
You can download the model.
If you download the app, though, yes thats going to their servers.
No data is sent to servers if you run it locally.
First time you do something is always harder. OpenAI just didn't think it was 1000x harder and thought they'd have more time to cash in.
Myself, I think that being able to throw billions of dollars at hardware, and their focus on next-quarter results discouraged them from putting in the human effort to analyze and optimize their process. It turns out there were some fantastic optimizations to do.
Distilling OpenAI and Llama models probably also helped quite a bit
Although I must admit, that the architectural changes are pretty cool
but I have to add, that I've just started reading into the topic a few weeks ago and don't really have any real practical experience, besides checking out some huggingface docs I got linked yesterday and stupid me hasn't thought about looking there...
So everything I say is probably bullshit o:-)
Oh no! Anyway….
You did something cheaper quicker and it's more efficient it must be bad the US
Just like EV's and battery technology. Up to 40% tarrif on some brands.
They are cheaper with more range. The range is literally only achievable through better technology and hardware.
It's open source. Trying to block it is futile now lmao
"No! Ban GitHub! It hosts the code of our adversaries! And while we're at it, ban the internet!" —Plutocrats, probably.
Are we really doing this again?
If it's open source and can be hosted locally, I don't think there are issues with national security in this case.
There is money to be lost though. Always follow the money.
Like TikTok. The national security threat is actually just fear of profit loss.
it's not fully open source. it comes with binary blobs you can't build from source.
National security, anti-terrorism, protecting children.
The trifecta of reasons given for abolishing freedoms
as Chinese law allows government access to company-held data.
... Kind of exactly like how US law allows government access to company-held data?
Good. Perhaps while all the idiots are busy devising a "plan" to address this, those evil brain leave everyone else alone.
The veil.... it has been lifted.
When you're living in the imperial core violently genociding the planet to make a quick buck, of course everything is a security concern and opportunity for the MIC to profit.
As we just lost any sort of moral high ground, ok. 2 years ago maybe I'd be worried. 9 years ago I'd definitely have been worried. Today, the enemy of my enemy is my ally.
It's better than our usa tech, sir!
Quick, mark it as a security threat!
If they're limiting focus to the Chinese app then they're noir wrong. If they mean the whole model then they're full of crap.
Hahahahahahahaha, manufactured consent in full throttle here. Hahahahahaha
*plays the world's smallest violin
Us Corpo got daddy Sam to come protect them from the bad chinaman
Pathetic... Sam altman defrauded microshit, they deserve each other
Weaselly little liars.
Deepseek released the model and showed how they made it. You can run it locally. It doesn't connect to the internet.
It's open source so why not just take the best parts of it and run it themselves if it is such a worry instead of relying on their app and website.
While the calls from Moolenaar could be the first inkling of a possible congressional crackdown, Ross Burley — a co-founder of the nonprofit Centre for Information Resilience — warned that DeepSeek's emergence in the U.S. raises data security and privacy issues for users.
Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats slurping up our data without consent and getting to do whatever they want with impunity. /s
"What they'll use it for is behavior change campaigns, disinformation campaigns, for really targeted messaging as to what Western audiences like, what they do," he added.
Yeah, because it's just soooo much better to have American plutocrats doing every single one of those things and more in the name of Profit. /s
Our leaders are hilariously tone-deaf.
it's not fully open souce tho.
it comes with binary blobs you can't build from the source.