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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Unless you own the building, you are not obligated to take care of this, the landlord is.

If they aren't doing that, report them to the city.

Good looking out for your neighbors, but don't let your landlord neglect shit.

Edit:

In the United States, the Americans with Disabilities act requires landlords to provide their tenants with a habitable place to live (because that's what they're paying for).

Additionally, if anyone slips and falls on a property, the owner is legally liable. Those are facts: It doesn't matter how you feel about them, they are what they are.

Downvoting the person informing you won't change anything.

Downvote away if it makes you feel better, but if you're a landlord, maintain your fucking property and take care of your people! Don't be a piece of shit slumlord.

[–] hannes3120@feddit.de 16 points 10 months ago

Can definitely be part of the rent contract though

[–] aeharding@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mowing and shoveling is standard lease stuff where I live.

(But not things like clearing gutters or worrying about ice dams)

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Really? Can I ask where that is, because that sounds crazy.

[–] aeharding@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I guess every area has it's own weirdness.. in my part of California, we have to provide our own refrigerators for our rentals! What!

[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's gotta be a local thing. I have a hard time seeing landlord snow removal making it into federal law (assuming you're American).

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If a disabled person lives there, then (in the US) landlords are legally obligated to provide the disabled renter with a habitable living space under the Americans with Disabilities act, which is federal.

It's also worth pointing out, that anywhere in the US, if a person slips and falls on your property you (but mostly your insurance company probably) are responsible. So the landlord is open to additional liability there even if there are no local laws regarding snow removal simply because they are the owner of the property.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Great point in that first paragraph. In the second paragraph, it's my understanding that you can't sue if there was no expectation of safety. If the path isn't cleared in the slightest, then you're not liable. I also know that in some areas the owner can just write into the lease "you guys have to clear the snow" and it becomes the tenant's responsibility.

Anyway, fucking, clear your sidewalks people, be nice.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

You can sue for literally any reason you like in the US. Doesn't guarantee success of course and you might even end up being liable for court costs in addition to your own lawyer (if you hire one) but even if the lawsuit fails, being sued is a pain in the ass to begin with so why even open up the opportunity? Just shovel the damn snow or hire someone to take care of it especially if you are renting to disabled people.

Slumlords will downvote but fuck those assholes.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

On the one hand, salt destroys cars, which is based. On the other hand, salt destroying cars means more cars get bought, which is cringe. On the third hand, salt makes it easier to walk, which is based. On the fourth hand, salt is notoriously bad for the environment (nobody ever threatened to beet juice someone's fields, you know) which is hella cringe.

I guess what I'm saying is skip the salt, use beet juice, and lay out spike strips on the road

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

On the fourth hand

Are you a Machamp?

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why beet juice? (I have a really hard time not calling it beetle juice)

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Beet juice isn't as good a de-icer as salt, but it does lower the freezing point of water and it doesn't kill plants

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it make everything beet colored and dye stuff? Like let's say I have white carpet and I use beet juice to de-ice my walkway, wouldn't I get beet juice on my shoes and immediately dye my carpet once I walk inside? (If this is too American for you because in your country people remove their shoes, it's common to have carpet all the way to the door in the US)

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Idunno, maybe. I live in the US too, but I'm in an apartment so I'm not the one de-icing walkways. Maybe I should switch it to sugar instead of beet juice, since I'm pretty sure it's the sugar in that that reduces the freezing temperature of water anyway, and sugar doesn't (as far as I know) turn stuff red

[–] melooone@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Are you actually using beet juice? I would recommend sand, fine gravel or something else that prevents slipping.

[–] SpermHowitzer@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Please done just put salt down without shoveling. It makes piles of slushy salt that at best are a mess, but likely will re-freeze into an uneven hazard. It’s also really hard on dog’s paws. An able bodied guy should be able to use a shovel.

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

I swear 1/2 the frozen mass outside right now is a mix of various salts of sodium, potassium, and magnesium. Do all cities suck at snow plowing?

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I use dog friendly salt.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

You're a good guy OP but someone in my city is being sued by their landlord specifically for doing what your post is about and supposedly ruining the pavement, so make sure to cover person #1 before others!

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I wonder how those laws handle disabled people who can't shovel snow and don't have someone to do it for them. Expect them to hire somebody to do it? The disabled are generally not well off financially, so that's not really a solution.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Knowing how much our system fucks over disabled people in other ways I'm going to guess that they're still required to do it, so they either have to hire someone or do it themselves.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

I'm sure you're right.

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

They go on apps like NextDoor or Facebook communities pages and beg for help.

[–] Drusas@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

I highly doubt many are part of those groups.

[–] aeharding@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Unfortunately in a lot of places “aging in place” isn’t a thing and the only housing stock is single family homes.

Ideally you could stay in your neighborhood and change your housing to accomodate your situation.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Well, the city still expects lawns to be mowed even if you're disabled here, so I'd assume they expect the same of snow. But we don't get much snow since I've moved in with my husband who has cerebral palsy. With the lawn, they send a letter first saying fix it. You fix it, call them, and it's done. I'd think the same with snow, assuming the snow stuck around so long they had time to send a letter.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I don't have a sidewalk in front of my home but where I work is on a walkable urban street. Clearing the sidewalk when it snows is such an enjoyable thing to do I look forward to it. Pedestrians walking by sometimes say thanks, the woman across the street brought me coffee once. Her husband uses the bus stop so I always clean the bench. Technically I'm getting paid but I do much more than I'm obligated to, sometimes I'll clear a couple driveway skirts.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apparently the guy in the meme is notorious for treating their employees like absolute shit.

[–] IDontHavePantsOn@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

He serves "ok" quality steaks, wraps them in gold leaf and upcharges thousands of dollars. His restaurant is the equivalent of the "I Am Rich" app. One critic called the whole thing dinner theater. More money than sense is required to dine there.