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What happens when a school bans smartphones? A complete transformation | US education | The Guardian::Teachers say mobile phones make their lives a living hell – so one Massachusetts school barred them

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 82 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Don't all schools ban phones? They were banned when I was in highschool maybe ten years ago. And smartphones were already very much a thing by that point. Everyone still used them because enforcement was basically impossible.

The only teacher I ever saw who had an effective strategy was my math teacher. He told kids to put their phones on their desk at the beginning of class so that they were out in the open. If he found out you had come to class with a phone and didn't put it on the desk, you'd lose it, even if you weren't using it. And then he said you could use them for a few seconds to check them, but you had to keep them out in the open. No hiding the phone by your legs.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago (4 children)

"Back in my day" (when phones were not that smart but already had color screens and crappy cameras) the teacher would seize your phone if you dared to take it out of your pocket or if it even did as much as vibrate. Not sure why kids would need to check their phone during class nowadays.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

I think we’re from the same day. I’m pretty goddamn glad, honestly. I’ve seen how much the phone has invaded my life, and I’m on the lowest scale of intrusion. I typically find myself out with a group of people all on their phones. It feels weird and gross. I could see how that constant attachment could be such a problem for teachers today, even if they were banned. It’s almost automatic, when someone gets bored or distracted, their hand is already in their pocket pulling out the phone.

We had texting, but the smart phone was invented the year I graduated high school. So really even my college years weren’t really tainted by constant phone use. We were really lucky for that reason, I hink.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's how most teachers in my school operated, and it meant people were constantly screwing around on their phones and not paying attention, because it was an unenforceable policy. Like I said, the only teacher I ever had who effectively prevented people from screwing around on their phones excessively was that math teacher.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Was very enforceable at our school. Teachers had eagle eyes, they simply took your phone and if you were lucky they gave it back to you after class, but most of the time you had to come pick it up after school, and if you were a multi-time offender, your parents had to come get it.

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[–] simple@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

Definitely depends on the school and where you live, but in my experience the rules have become really loose. Every kid has a phone and mobile data. They're banned in class but kids always try to open their phones to check them and hide them quickly anyways. Many kids spend breaks on their phone. Banning kids from coming into school with phones in their first place is what the article means.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 months ago

When I was in school, just pulling out a phone meant confiscation.
Even ringing meant a call for the parents to get it back.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My local school has a simple system. Every student is required to place their phones in a clear plastic similar to this - []https://www.amazon.com/Gorilla-Grip-Breathable-Organizer-Accessories/dp/B09MJH9V2V/ref=sr_1_6?crid=1X4FP5L6YX60T&keywords=hanging%2Bshoe%2Bcaddy&sprefix=hanging%2Bshoe%2Bcaddy%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-6&th=1 - hanging right next to the door. The pockets are transparent so the teacher can quickly see if everyone has done so and they are cheap.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Terrible. Imagine how many poo and cum particles live on that nasty-ass thing.

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[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 53 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Today my computer science teacher asked a friend of mine to show his screentime statistics as a joke. Bro literally spent an average of +11h A DAY on his phone...

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 36 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Smartphones and apps are scientifically designed to be addictive. The same techniques that make people spend hours at slot machines goes into modern games.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying the app I'm using to browse Lemmy is scientifically designed to be addictive?

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

I used to work in public health. One of the things they teach is that only the addict can decide if they are addicted. No one improves until they admit that they are powerless to stop on their own.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323468

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm paranoid about checking mine... Plus my Deck and computer (for work). It's probably more than your mate.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I configure mine to show it to me weekly. It helps me keep tabs on a low social media diet. I've been reading, playing music and watching movies more frequently thanks to that.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Jesus. I’m at just above two hours for my weekly average. It used to be 8-10 hours daily when I had a job where I had to leave my house, go into an office, and not do any work. Now that I do the same thing but from home, I don’t need to use my phone as much.

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[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago

I went to school right at the time where Smartphones become popular and at the beginning most either had no phone or a basic featurephone and in the end almost everyone had a smartphone. And I think the impact was very minimal. School sucked regardless. People were bullied regardless. Some had really short attention spans regardless.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Having lived my whole life in the Information Age, I am 100% in support of this.

Problem with the digital world is it's all fake, it's all bullshit. It's only anything at all because we're here. But like everything, it comes with a cost.

During the brain formation years, the brain should get opportunity to form both with and without it, so the maximum number of possible capabilities are preserved for future access.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Crazy how people otherwise firm supporters of freedom of speech and freedom of tech suddenly change their minds when the person involved is under 18.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 43 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Are you unfamiliar with the principal that things which are appropriate for adults are often not appropriate for children?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

According to the United States, it's appropriate to imprison children for delinquency that is things that are criminal for children that are not criminal for adults.

So no, I have little faith regarding what my society decides is right for kids.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea who you got from what I said to what you said, and I don't want to.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The notion that some things may be inappropriate for kids is easly misused when it's turned into a principle and as such we end up where the US is now, withholding civil rights from children and using child safety to push identity politics.

I do hope you are not a parent.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wish we have restrictions based on mental capacity rather than age. Fucking dimwits aged 40+ can't think better than elementary schoolers

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 16 points 10 months ago

You actually hit it right in the nail. What actually works is talking to them like thinking, rational human beings, explain the situation and then be a mature adult and understand that they will have to make their own choices and there is nothing you can do about it.

Ideally we should be teaching self-control instead of submission and evasion. A lot of what's going on in the world stems from this tendency.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For enclosed schools, it surprises me they don't just faraday cage all the rooms, and then run school-controlled wifi.

But in my day, teachers freaked out about electronic calculators and word processors. I'd think the appropriate thing to do is integrate smart-phone use into curricula. If your kids are texting, then your teaching model sucks.

But here in the states, we already know our teaching model sucks, because the state doesn't take it seriously and gives zero fucks about kids until they can be loaded with debt and can serve as a laborer or soldier for billionaire vanity projects.

[–] BoneALisa@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I sure you arent being serious, but farday caging the rooms would likely be highly illegal, blocking emergency cell calls and other emergency signals (like radio and gps) is a big ol no no.

[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Faraday cages are fine. It's just never worth the expense.

It's frequency jammers and active blockers which break the law in a massive way.

The reason being you can control the area a Faraday cage encapsulates. A signal jammer that has any decent effect has to also affect outside the area. Big no

Plenty of buildings are accidentally faraday cages for certain frequencies.

Emergency services have training for buildings with poor signals and it's as simple as putting repeaters down as you progress from outside to inside.

Jammers are much less simple to work around.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This is 100% false

It's a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned, but it's not illegal in the slightest

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[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It’s not that easy to make a faraday cage that works against modern phones as the scale of a building. You have to make sure it’s perfect, any imperfection in the implementation and signal can get in.

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I watched the first generation that got personal unrestricted mobile phones for themselves. Somehow I thought it was a good idea at the time. It fucked them up mentally, and then Covid-19 came and doubled the effect.

Now I think that a parent who gets their under 12 year old kid a smart phone should be treated roughly in the same way as if the parent gave the kid cocaine.

[–] SmashingSquid@notyour.rodeo 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We got an iPhone for my niece who is 8. It’s locked down so all she can do is text, call, and take pictures/video and she can’t contact anyone not in her contacts list. She has some games but can’t use them for more than an hour per day and they won’t open during school hours.

A big issue is parents not bothering to learn how to use and set up parental controls.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Controls like these don't work if the kid is smart, determined or the parents are too tired or uninvolved. There's more to the cellphone issue than the actual cellphone.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

12? Those kids get phones at 8-9 around here as far as I saw.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I haven't gotten to that point with my kids but he's getting a flip phone first if I can find one. I see other kids on his bus (elementary level) with smartphones and I think it's insane.

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[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Personally I went to school before smartphones were a thing and it was still miserable lmao

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anyone and everyone can benefit from putting away their smartphone, not just students.

Off topic, but when were the photos of these students taken? Their clothing and hair looks like they came straight out of the 90s. Even some of the photos themselves looks "film-like".

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The 90s are in rn. All my friends kids have nirvana shirts and such.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the Nirvana shirts have ever really gone away.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 4 points 10 months ago

That may just me bias based on my exposure. I have lots of exposure to kids my kids' ages and that group is moving into the Nirvana phase.

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[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 7 points 10 months ago

Official government recommendation for Dutch school is to ban smartphones in class. For now it's just an advice, but it may become law in the future.

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