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[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This 100%.
AirBnB used to be cheaper than a hotel. Then it got so easy to tack on fees and ridiculous requirements that you're basically paying more than a hotel to housekeep your own room. Mix in lots of shady hosts and most of the time I'd rather just stay at the Hilton for the same price.

It can still be useful as a novelty, like book a party house somewhere or as easily cheaper way to house an awful lot of people. But for the most part, I'll pass.

[–] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Yup. I used AirBnB when they first started and it wasn't terrible but then it became a huge hassle. Don't give me a list of chores and then I might get penalty fees if I don't do them right. Plus all the other damn fees. I don't even bother to look at ABnB any more

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago

I stopped using their site for anything years ago. This was one of the main reasons. Too little too late for me.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Any alternatives? Especially European?

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 19 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

hotels/hostels?

Airbnb turns potential living space into hotel space and thereby helps driving up housing prices. The whole concept is inherently problematic.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Not quite hotel space as I have yet to find a hotel that can accommodate several families traveling together with a shared space, including a fully stocked kitchen, washer and dryer, parking, etc. There's definitely a demand for something like this that isn't filled in any other way.

[–] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago

In Germany it's called "Ferienwohnung" where you can rent a whole house if you need it. This is going for decades before AirBNB, I'm sure there's something comparable in other countries.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 4 points 5 hours ago

Appartment hotels maybe?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Great point. Hostels seem very fun.

[–] cotlovan@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Booking.com they also have private hosts on their platform

[–] Sighpolice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Never book flights through booking.com, they use a third party company called GoToGate who have the worst customer service possible and do not refund, and only try to charge for more.

[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

HomeExchange looks good and is European.

It naturally lacks the depth of listings that Airbnb does but will grow if people use them

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

VRBO. Idk if it's European.

[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 63 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

DUMP AirBnB right away. They are kissing Trumps ass all the way. The CEO is very... very proud to be part of DOGE. Fuck them.

[–] JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 8 hours ago

Gross. I didn't know that. I do occasionally use AirBnB. I'm aware of their impact on the rental market, so I favor hotels most of the time. But there have been a few occasions in recent years where I was traveling in a larger group and an AirBnB made more sense. But no more of that.

I looked in to this a little, and Joe Gebbia is no longer the CEO, but he is still on the board. Still a good enough reason to boycott.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

Wouldn't this mane Americans uncomfortable, they aren't used to seeing the actual cost if something until one step away from checkout, or sometimes not even then.

[–] primemagnus@lemmy.ca 35 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

TOO LATE!

These companies are unbelievable. Create the most predatory system on the planet and when their bottom line tanks they turn around like they didn’t create the very thing they now want to “fix”.

Anyone have an ETA on the rocket to the sun?

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Getting a rocket to the sun is easy. Getting it back is the hard part. Since you dont need the rocket to make it back, it sounds like you're all set for operation "beam em up".

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

Even by space flight standards, getting a rocket to the sun is very hard.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 3 points 8 hours ago

(The cost was fascism)

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 107 points 18 hours ago (13 children)

I read that airbnb lead to rents rise, because it made it so easy for landlords to run their property like hotels. I don't use them, and kind of think lowly of people that are like "well it's convenient so i don't care".

[–] freeman@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago

I think it shouldnt be on the consumers but on the lawmaker. Tax airbnbs like real bnbs or like hotels or there are many other levers that can be pulled to make it less profitable than renting to locals

[–] shark_phenomenon@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It was a nice concept in the 2010s when it was like an advanced version of Couchsurfing or a digital version of a homestay. Then of course it became an unsustainable business model and went to dogs when it became a money making scheme for finance bros to buy up housing and charge 4-star hotel prices.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

partially right, but its usually the corporate real estate companies doing this, they buy up the HOUSES and just air bnb, or rent them forever, without even selling any of the houses.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 54 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

While Air B&B has done irreperable harm to the housing market, I'm not 100% convinced it should be banned. I propose if a house operates as an enterprise, it be taxed according to commercial rates, not residential. It would go a long way to resolving the inequities.

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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 63 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

This. They help destroy housing markets.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

further destroy housing markets.

investors are already doing their work, too.

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[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

I share a lot of of the criticism towards AirBnB. However, I've often ended up using them either way. We travel with a dog and a toddler. They need to be allowed in the first place. And ideally we get a kitchen, a separate room so we can still have normal noise and light when the kid sleeps. Often we even find Airbnbs with toys, kids books, dog beds, treats on the table when we arrive, ...

You simply don't get that in hotels. At least not in a price range I've considered so far

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 32 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

i don't think people need to justify Airbnb's, it's a great alternative to a hotel for many reasons including those you listed. What needs to be addressed is the damage the shareholders who are running the company are doing to society. let's not give them too much credit about this choice: they are still sucking up homes from homeowners and removing money from the middle class. they only made this change because someone realized it will make them more money.

I guess: great concept, shitty company.

Like with so many "tech giants", they had a great idea but greed is spoiling it. I wish we had more "public infrastructure" for this. I'd love to have OSS, tax-funded or at least heavily regulated SoMe, video sharing, home swapping/renting, local marketplace, ... Those should not be industries, they should be part of our society's fabric like the fire department or trash pick-up.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Their footnote section is doing a lot of work.

1 In some countries and regions taxes are included in the total price displayed. The total price including taxes is always displayed prior to checkout.

They also either don't know how notations work, or the AI they're using to generate this doesn't because it has a separate footnote with that same sentence later on.

I would be thoroughly unsurprised if some EU or other regulation came into effect so that they have to do this, and now they're taking credit for being consumer friendly.

[–] brandon@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s actually a US regulation which goes into effect on May 10th. Most other booking sites should be following suit with something similar over the next few weeks.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I never stayed in an Airbnb, always found easier and/or better options at hotels, or an apartment at booking.com. People act like Airbnb came up with the concept of renting apartments, while websites like this have been doing this for a decade by the time it came around.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Booking is also pretty scummy. There was a blog post a few years ago from a hotel that always showed up as sold out, even it had plenty empty rooms. In the end it was a "feature" where other hotels could "promote" their business in a city so it would show up first, but the competition would also be listed as unavailable to force visitors into the promoted business. The other thing is that booking will show "only one room left" to pressure you into booking right now, but what ot actually means is that a hotel might only allocate 20 of 100 rooms to booking, and still has 81 free rooms if you call them directly.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hotels have always been better in my experience.

Unless you want something like a fishing cabin on a river, but even then I’ve started to look at resorts because after all the fees, they work out to the same price as an airBNB.

[–] BobSentMe@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

Same price, fewer chores.

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