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[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 18 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

This is why KVM is a good option, or even Hyper-V for Windows hosts. The only problem with KVM Is graphical support for paravirtualized drivers is basic at best with no full 3D acceleration that I know of for Windows guests; virtio-win isn't exactly the best option graphically and QXL to my knowledge is even more lacking, but one can just pass a hardware GPU through over vfio-pci for that.

Unfortunately for Mac hosts, Apple has no KVM/Hyper-V equivalent so your best option for virtualization there is Parallels.

(and it's honestly kinda stupid that Apple can't build their own KVM equivalent into the Darwin kernel which macOS is based on)

[–] rpa@europe.pub 1 points 9 minutes ago

There is a KVM equivalent on MacOS, Apple's Hypervisor virtualization framework.

KVM is just the kernel side, you need QEMU (for example) on userland. On MacOS you have now UTM.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 16 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Proxmox is the way to go in businesses right now to replace Vmware

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 1 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

I would argue for Apache Cloudstack personally.

Though I have used and like Proxmox as well.

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 3 points 11 hours ago

And virt-manager is pretty solid for hobbyist tinkering too.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 249 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Threatening to sue your customers is such a brilliant business move.

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 112 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It's also the business model of Oracle I think and they are wildly successful.

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[–] Jestzer@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (28 children)

This is another good reminder to not use VMware nor VirtualBox for any reason.

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[–] Doctorzoidy@lemmynsfw.com 30 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

I realize there's all sorts of Microsoft hate out there, mostly justified, but no one has mentioned hyper-v as a replacement for VMware. I've got a dozen or so machines running on a single VMware host and after the broadcom buyout decided to swap over, havent pulled the trigger yet as I'm using it to get a new server and wait for our support contract to end.

In the small/medium business space is proxmox a better bet?

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 12 minutes ago

Hyper-V could literally suck my dick all day and I still wouldn't use it if there's a non-microsoft option that works. Not interested in being the test group for any more of their shit or get rug-pulled at the worst moment.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

I'd say that if you tend to like Microsoft products, then hyper v. If you tend to be annoyed by then but like Linux, then proxmox is great. It manages to be a good blend of approachable with a GUI but also having solid API and cli that didn't overly abstract things away from the underlying implementation

But if you aren't really a Linux person, then I'd wager hyper v is the right direction.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I haven’t yet set up proxmox, but yeah, I think hyper-V would work well in a small to medium windows shop.

The negatives I found probably don’t apply

  • for large installations, it never scaled as well as VMware. We saved millions on licenses when we switched, but had to buy a lot more hardware. In particular we were doing software QA where we needed many VMs but they didn’t need much resources, and hyper-v just couldn’t scale in that direction. More standard use cases probably won’t have this problem, plus this was 4 years ago so I don’t know if anything has changed
  • for special case installations, hyper-v was a horrible experience on my laptop. I had the resources, but couldn’t pass through usb devices, and it kept messing up my networking.
[–] thejag52@sh.itjust.works 15 points 22 hours ago

From my experience running heavily Hyper-V over the last 15 years, don't be afraid of it, it's worth the look. Especially for a single node like you're talking, no reason not to in my opinion.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Another vote for Hyper-V.

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, if you're used to Microsoft servers and have a Microsoft network it integrates really nicely and is great to manage. Plus, it's free.

[–] BritishJ@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Its not free. You need to license the base windows server. They killed the free hyper-v server offering.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That’s basically free compared to vmware

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 7 hours ago

It's also basically free compared to a mountain of gold. But xen and proxmox and virt-manager and a bunch of others can be really free.

[–] Matty_r@programming.dev 12 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Proxmox is definitely on its way to become a viable replacement for sure. There's also OpenShift from Red Hat which could be worth a look at as well.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Openshift kind of incidentally does virtualization almost begrudgingly. Red hat started to try to be a VMware competitor with ovirt but find VMware customers too stuck in their ways, then abandoned it to chase the cloud buzz word with open stack, but open stack was never that good and also the market for people who want to make their on premise stuff act like a cloud provider is actually not that big anyway. So they hopped on the container buzzword with open shift and stuck libvirt management in there to have an excuse for virtualization customers that there is a migration path for them.

Meanwhile proxmox scratched their head wondering why everyone was fixated on stacking abstraction layer upon abstraction layer on libvirt and just directly managed the qemu. Which frankly makes their stuff a lot more straightforward technically, and their implementation is a solid realization of the sort of experience that VMware provides. In fact much more straightforward than a typical VMware deployment, and easier to care and feed since it is natively Linux instead of an OS pretending not to be an os like esxi. It also is consistent to manage, unlike VMware where you must at least interact some with esxi but that's deliberately crippled and then you have to do things a bit differently as you deploy center (which can be weirdly convoluted).

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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 85 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Broadcom is where previously good softwares go to die.

Proxmox, Nutanix, Canonical and Incus must be quite happy with the new customers.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

At first, I thought the products you were listening were "good softwares going to die". I was like "wut. Proxmox is fucking epic."

Proxmox is amazing.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 132 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where would we be without predatory rent-seeking?

Someone's going to make a fortune migrating firms off VMWare onto open-source VMs.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 61 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Man could you imagine what proxmox would be if that project got just a tenth of the money VMware got?

Classic prisoners dilemma. Nobody wants to invest in proxmox because not enough people invest in proxmox.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Honestly I think if Proxmox got VMWare money then they’d become stuffed to the gills with business sharks and probably go the same route eventually.

That is not a Proxmox problem, that is a capitalism problem.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 48 points 1 day ago

We told them to go fuck themselves. We retain lawyer specifically in case we have legal concerns, and the way we use their products, price jack up would be so extreme that it’s entirely worth risking it while we migrate away.

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