He's going to be surprised at just how many people are OK not owning Ubisoft games...
this post was submitted on 23 Jan 2024
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Well, the Ubisoft exec needs to get used to people pirating games if they cannot be owned.
If purchase isn't ownership, then piracy isn't theft
Because IP is no property, piracy isn't theft!
Alright, I was only gently pointing it out because what he actually said is still a pretty bad take, but at this point it's just annoying.
No, he didn't say that.
He said that gaming subscriptions won't take off UNTIL gamers get used to not owning their games. Wihch... yeah, it checks out.
The all-subscription future already sucks, can we at least limit our outrage to the actual problem? I swear, I have no idea why gaming industry people ever talk to anybody. Nothing good ever comes of it.
Yup. This shit is getting old. Context people. Context.
The problem is gamers don't care about context. They just care about circlejerking each other to seem cool. It's why most of the comments in relation to this are some variation of "people still buy Ubisoft games".
It's not about being right it's about looking cool.
In fairness, the headlines written around this were generally atrocious, save a few (shout out to IGN and the original reporter, which may or may not have been techradar). Sure, in most of those you could read a more complete quote inside, but... staying at the headline isn't just a gamer thing. Clickbait is dangerous for a reason.
And also in fairness, the point he's making is still not great. I mean, he's the guy in charge of their subscription service, so I wouldn't expect him to be too negative on the idea, but he's still saying that it's a future that will come. Not that all models will coexist, but that a Netflix future for gaming is coming.
But yeah, gamers can be hostile without justification and often default to treating every relationship with the people making the games as an antagonistic or competitive one, which is a bummer. In that context, letting this guy talk was clearly a mistake.
As a 35 year old guy with a full time career and a wife, my gaming time is pretty limited. I no longer want a game to be 100 hours long because that will take me like a year to get through. I want other things. So for me, subscription gaming weirdly makes sense. I've heard the xbox version is great but I'm doing the playstation one. I've tried a bunch of older games that I didn't get around to when they were newer like Celeste and AC black flag. I've tried some newer ones here and there too. For the cost of like 2 new games per year, I'm trying like 30, and I don't feel the pressure of "I paid $60 on this" to make myself finish a game if I'm not that interested. I got like 2/3 through Ghost of Tsushima and then realized that I wasn't really having fun anymore so I just stopped and moved on to another game. I'm not playing the most current shit, and not a whole lot of AAA stuff, but other than Spider-Man 2 idk if I'm really missing out on anything. Especially because every game ships broken as fuck and takes a few months and an open letter apology to be worth a damn anyway.
Not defending corporate greed at all here, I'm just saying that right now, for me, at current price and service, I fucks with it. I'm sure it isn't such a good value for people who play all the time and are constantly just waiting for new games to come onto the catalog, but I'm more worried about games not being there long enough for me to get my fill lol.
Oh, it makes sense. I think there's a place for subscription services, absolutely.
I don't think a transition to subscription as the default model for gaming makes sense, though. Which was the point of the question and the implicit goal in the answer. And even if it did make practical sense (if people "got used to it") it'd be bad for the art form and the industry on the aggregate.
Agreed. I'm just kinda surprised that I'm cool with something that sounds so terrible on paper. Ultimately, if it does become the norm, I'd expect another renaissance of indie titles, but probably PC only at first at least. If the only way to play games becomes subscription bundles which would obviously come with a paywall for devs to get access to customers, it gatekeeps smaller devs out. Until these same execs see that lost revenue and create an indie tier subscription with fewer hurdles to get your game in it, so that's totally gonna be like 80% shovelware.
So basically, it's pretty okay right now but it's gonna be a bloated, greedy, saturated shitshow soon just like streaming services are. Wonderful.
I’m honestly quite fine with not owning any Ubisoft games, so me and this exec are on the same page of being happy not owning Ubisoft games it seems like
People still play Ubisoft games?
Don’t give Ubisoft money for their games and they will change their tune or close up shop soon enough.
Ppl who care about this and ppl who give Ubisoft money live in an unconnected Venn diagram.
With piracy mindset, i got an idea, with hacked ps5 and their subscription, you can rip games from their service with hen, download once, then activate hen and rip with ftp, that's it, if Xbox were hacked then gamepass, ea+, ubisoft subscription, could be ripped in seconds just like that
It's interesting to see that subscriptions are forced upon users everywhere.
I only game on mobile in games that are basically f2p. When I like something in that game or want to do a monthly pass I pay for that, once. I have deliberately no payment option what so ever linked to the mobile account as I don't trust Google not to sneak in an unwanted payment. (Or a game fritzing out and doing a payment for me)
Yes, games are entertainment and just like TV/streaming, a subscription could be useful for die-hard gamers, but I see digital content being 'sold' for buyers to 'own' and then the bought items being removed to much. Corporate greed is spiraling out of control.
I don't trust Google not to sneak in an unwanted payment. (Or a game fritzing out and doing a payment for me)
This doesn't happen. You can just admit you don't trust yourself not to spend more money.
I already had games tell me I couldn't spend when I didn't order anything, so I'm good this way. No payment method linked to my account without a clear intent to spend that exact moment. Link paypal, spend, unlink paypal works perfectly. (or else when I have cash, buy a giftcard when the amount is close enough to what I want to spend.
Correction, corporate greed spiraled out of control long ago. It's just that more and more of us can see it as time passes.
I figured this out about 7 years ago. I used to do drugs when I was younger (thank God for getting me off that train) and the "drug pusher" behavior of these companies was just too evident. So, for me it was sort of a natural reaction to put as much distance as possible from "ZuckMyBerg" and his crap services, then Microshit and Crapple followed shortly after. The hardest part was moving away from Google (I know, they could easily be the worst offenders, but who's to say), and I'm almost 100% G-Free. Streaming (audio and video) followed closely.
At first it was a real struggle, trying to self-hosted as much as possible. But with all the amazing FOSS devs out there, it's also getting increasingly easier.
Yes, it's a lot of effort to move from all this cloud stuff and subscriptions to using only your own stuff, specially getting family and acquaintances to move away from the mainstream crap, in particular communication services (WhatsApp and the like). In all honesty though, I'm happy with this tradeoff, because only the people that really want to have me around choose to add the secure and private services I'm willing to use, effectively removing irrelevant individuals from my life.
My biggest concern right now are not evil corporations, but governments (democratic or otherwise) backing up all this privacy invasion and abuse.
When shit hits the fan, a lot of people will say (or just think) "damn, he told me about this and I didn't listen.
We, the ones that keep informed on these matters, have the responsibility to attempt to make others aware. Although it's really hard since most of us are not on mainstream channels and won't touch the common stuff with a 10 foot pole.
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Well I'm already used to not owning Ubisoft games, because I think the last one I bought was AC Odyssey...
It's odd as well, because out of the Big Three, I always considered Ubisoft to be the least scummy of them.
Ubisoft is master of Europe/Canada. Only the pirate fleet stands before them. ~~Oceans~~ Video game DRMs are now battlefields.
Anybody know the name of the game in the image?
Not sure if serious or not but in case you are... It's a frame from the anime One Piece.
Oh sorry, I really thought it looked like a game lmao. Shame, I would’ve played it.
It's a frame from the original One Piece op
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