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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 36 points 6 days ago (8 children)

We really need to stop abandoning existing foss projects and thinking a whole new thing needs to be invented. Free and open-source software is not a product, it doesn't abide by the same rules and relationships that proprietary tech does.

It's more organic. It's also a commons that we can continue to draw on, and reshape. If I recall correctly, there were something like three different vector graphic editors from the same codebase before Inkscape managed to be the one that gained traction.

Matrix isn't perfect, but abandoning it just to reinvent it all over again just because some people really need a thing that works like Discord, even though Discord is absolute hot garbage; is just going to re-create all the same problems. Matrix today is better than it was two years ago. And Matrix in a year will be better from now.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Can't agree on Discord being hot garbage, unless you're specifically talking about how monetisation has creeped its way into it.

However, with Vencord I don't have to see any of that shit, while also having a far more functional and feature rich client.

Of course, a FOSS, potentially federated alternative would be greatly preferred, but it must have at least the basic functions of Discord.

[–] poloqualle@feddit.org 2 points 6 days ago

None of the popular/successful apps are bad.

They usually have great ui/ux and are being actively developed or at least maintained. Think google maps, apple wallet, or of course discord. What is hot garbage, however, is having to accept massive privacy violations if you use them. Vencord unfortunately does not mitigate that. :(

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Often, the problem is that projects get to a point where they're happy and the maintainer doesn't want to add any new features. So people then are forced to build a new project to get those features.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago

Sometimes, but my point is you don't have to start from scratch. It's free software. You are allowed to make extensions or even fork it.

[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I agree with you, my main issue with Matrix is that it is a pain to self-host at the moment.

[–] kxzaon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago

https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy

Honestly, with this, it is easier than ever. Great documentation !

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[–] mat@linux.community 1 points 4 days ago

I did not enjoy finding out only at the end that the images in this blog post are generated/made using AI.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I've used matrix for a year now and it works, but it seems slow.

Lots of people tried to self-host it and reported it uses too much RAM for what it does. (It allegedly uses 1GB or more of ram even if it only has 1-2 users)

Efficient software is a must. Software must not waste resources simply because "they are there". That's my biggest gripe with matrix.

Disclaimer: i've not tried to host matrix myself, so i could be wrong here.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Its running about 1GB for me and my server setup. It spikes a bit if there is a lot going on, but it can get low than that when its just idling. Its not terrible, but given irc and other clients which take MB for RAM...its a bit of a hog-ish.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IRC is dead simple. You cant compare something like matrix to it in terms of resource usage thats not fair. 1GB of ram usage if fine for a server application that does messaging, pictures and video.

[–] szymon@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So we need to bring back IRC, if someone doesn't know how it works - well, I don't want to talk with such person. Bring back gatekeeping

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

IRC doesnt fit the requirements though. I cant send pictures or videos, I cant make little icons to react, I cant quote reply, I dont get push notifications when pinged. You may think these arent nessesary but to majority of users they are and I dont think IRC is going to adapt to include them.

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[–] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Iv tried matrix a couple times. I wanted to like it but couldnt get on with it.

Signal and simplex are still my prefrence

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[–] szymon@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's マリウス.com but the "internationalized domain name" system pynycodes it to gibberish to prevent spoofing urls using lookalike characters.

Like https://xn--mzon-43db.com/ is аmаzon.com. Those are cyrillic lowercase 'а', not 'a'.

[EDIT] The blog itself actually has a great article explaining it.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm completely afraid of logging into fedora.im now. It's so engulfed in spam, not even normal phishing spam. Absolutely horrifying spam, like gore and killing and other deranged shit.

I had to move back to matrix.org and abandon my account.

Don't get your hopes up, I deleted my account on matrix.org because of that same spam, and there's no way to mass ignore invites to the hundreds of rooms from all the spam accounts they let run rampant.

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