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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 135 points 1 month ago (7 children)

This is big! Grid scale Sodium Ion battery technology is (on paper) the best candidate for cheap large scale electricity storage. The fact that this company is working on 9 pilot deployments mean that this will likely produce the real world results that the paper exercises promise.

There are SO MANY advantages of Sodium Ion battery tech for grid storage over everything else we've used so far (nearly all Lithium based).

Sodium Ion batteries:

  • don't have as intense thermal management needs Lithium chemistries
  • don't have the massive negative environmental impact for their source materials (because its a part of regular old table/sea salt)
  • doesn't have the massive swings in capacity when operated in extreme hot or cold temperatures. Sodium Ion doesn't care.

The only downsides to Sodium Ion is that the batteries are physically larger for the same amount of energy stored (which isn't a problem for stationary storage), and the charging/discharging curves are not as linear as other chemistries (which again, isn't an issue because these are purpose built applications where the curves can easily be managed by battery management systems).

[–] yaroto98@lemmy.org 77 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would happily dedicate a corner of my garage for a big sodium ion battery.

Also, fun fact they can charge and discharge faster than lithium ion. Also, their chemistry doesn't lead to spontaneous combustion. Perfect for a house backup.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 19 points 1 month ago

I think it's the fire thing that is really their killer feature. So to speak.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can we make them from desalination plants, in part? Or no? I don't know the science for it.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the brine is where various useful ions can be further extracted from. https://news.mit.edu/2019/brine-desalianation-waste-sodium-hydroxide-0213

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's both amazing and hilarious that our battery production is similar to modded Minecraft logic.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, not too surprising, modded Minecraft chemistry is modeled after real life after all!

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Quite forward thinking of the Mekanism devs, then.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

I love this too, I just hope they don't use too much Phosphorous, because those reserves are limited too, maybe there are alternative designs once this gets going.

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

What about the environmental impact of degraded sodium ion batteries?

I'm not going to take sodium mining into account, as there are many ways that it can be extracted, with probably minimal impact, like salt evaporation ponds. I assume it's less destructive than building a hydro dam.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I'm really excited about na-ion, if commercial BMS circuitry was available I would already have some for a few home automation and sensing projects because of their low temp performance alone. But I'll have to spin up a custom implementation with an arduino or something and I don't have that kind of skills lol.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Would container ships be a good application? Or too heavy/large?

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

everything else we've used so far (nearly all Lithium based).

We have used water before lithium, and it isn't bad at all.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We have used water before lithium, and it isn’t bad at all.

Not so great in a flat dry desert though. Pump storage is great when there is lots of water and a naturally occurring elevation, but there's lots of places on Earth that don't have that, but do have energy to store.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] redhat421@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also very good, but geographically limited.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And very destructive for the local environment

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

Not sure why you're getting down voted, as you're sadly correct here

Still better then many alternatives, but it's not as environmental friendly as it's advertised

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I work for a controller OEM that builds the brains for managing these systems. It’s cutting edge stuff.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The part that controls/balances the discharge profiles, right? Because sodium batteries have a more non-linear discharge pattern.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That much salt is not going to be good for blood pressure.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

New warning label unlocked: Do not eat the Batteries.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not supposed to eat the electricity

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

First off, you're not my mother.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

Cow lick with kick

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago

I wonder which is saltier, oil companies or the batteries.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It would be nice to see a price/GWh of this (along with running costs, it says they save 1 Million per GWh, how much were the running costs before!?), but any improvement in battery tech is definitely a good thing.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago

Also the size of the thing and what happens to batteries after they die.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

But why US? Can't store fracking oil in there.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Finally something the EU can invest those 600 billion in. Or buy it, like lots of EU startups were by FAANG companies years ago. Tramp says it's dead tech, so it's ok.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

I honestly dont care who develops these kind of technologies, because it will spread.

The impact of these products are too important.