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"No Duh," say senior developers everywhere.

The article explains that vibe code often is close, but not quite, functional, requiring developers to go in and find where the problems are - resulting in a net slowdown of development rather than productivity gains.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Almost like its a desperate bid to blow another stock/asset bubble to keep 'the economy' going, from C suite, who all knew the housing bubble was going to pop when this all started, and now is.

Funniest thing in the world to me is high and mid level execs and managers who believe their own internal and external marketing.

The smarter people in the room realize their propoganda is in fact propogands, and are rolling their eyes internally that their henchmen are so stupid as to be true believers.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The biggest value I get from AI in this space is when I get handed a pile of spagehtti and ask for an initial overview.

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[–] Somecall_metim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 18 hours ago

I am jack's complete lack of surprise.

[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Oh wow. No shit. Anyway!

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Might be there someday, but right now it’s basically a substitute for me googling some shit.

If I let it go ham, and code everything, it mutates into insanity in a very short period of time.

[–] degen@midwest.social 29 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

I'm honestly doubting it will get there someday, at least with the current use of LLMs. There just isn't true comprehension in them, no space for consideration in any novel dimension. If it takes incredible resources for companies to achieve sometimes-kinda-not-dogshit, I think we might need a new paradigm.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

A crazy number of devs weren't even using EXISTING code assistant tooling.

Enterprise grade IDEs already had tons of tooling to generate classes and perform refactoring in a sane and algorithmic way. In a way that was deterministic.

So many use cases people have tried to sell me on (boilerplate handling) and im like "you have that now and don't even use it!".

I think there is probably a way to use llms to try and extract intention and then call real dependable tools to actually perform the actions. This cult of purity where the llm must actually be generating the tokens themselves... why?

I'm all for coding tools. I love them. They have to actually work though. Paradigm is completely wrong right now. I don't need it to "appear" good, i need it to BE good.

[–] degen@midwest.social 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly. We're already bootstrapping, re-tooling, and improving the entire process of development to the best of our collective ability. Constantly. All through good, old fashioned, classical system design.

Like you said, a lot of people don't even put that to use, and they remain very effective. Yet a tiny speck of AI tech and its marketing is convincing people we're about to either become gods or be usurped.

It's like we took decades of technical knowledge and abstraction from our Computing Canon and said "What if we didn't use that anymore?"

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[–] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I think we've tapped most of the mileage we can get from the current science, the AI bros conveniently forget there have been multiple AI winters, I suspect we'll see at least one more before "AGI" (if we ever get there).

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 21 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It remains to be seen whether the advent of “agentic AIs,” designed to autonomously execute a series of tasks, will change the situation.

“Agentic AI is already reshaping the enterprise, and only those that move decisively — redesigning their architecture, teams, and ways of working — will unlock its full value,” the report reads.

"Devs are slower with and don't trust LLM based tools. Surely, letting these tools off the leash will somehow manifest their value instead of exacerbating their problems."

Absolute madness.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Wait, it was hyped? Not just ridiculed?

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[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 7 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

AI companies and investors are absolutely overhyping its capabilities, but if you haven't tried it before I'd strongly recommend doing so. For simple bash scripts and Python it almost always gets something workable first try, genuinely saving time.

AI LLMs are pretty terrible for nearly every other task I've tried. I suspect it's because the same amount of quality training data just doesn't exist for other fields.

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[–] uncle_moustache@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago

The good news is: AI is a lot less impressive than it seemed at first.

The bad news is: so are a lot of jobs.

[–] Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I'd be inclined to try using it if it was smart enough to write my unit tests properly, but it's great at double inserting the same mock and have 0 working unit tests.

I might try using it to generate some javadoc though.. then when my org inevitably starts polling how much ai I use I won't be in the gutter lol

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 17 points 21 hours ago (31 children)

I personally think unit tests are the worst application of AI. Tests are there to ensure the code is correct, so ideally the dev would write the tests to verify that the AI-generated code is correct.

I personally don't use AI to write code, since writing code is the easiest and quickest part of my job. I instead use it to generate examples of using a new library, give me comparisons of different options, etc, and then I write the code after that. Basically, I use it as a replacement for a search engine/blog posts.

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[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 5 points 20 hours ago

I've seen it generate working unit tests plenty. In the sense that they pass.

...they do not actually test the functionality. Of course that function returns what you're asserting - you overwrote its actual output and checked against that!

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world -4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've found success using more powerful LLMs to help me create applications using the Rust programming language. If you use a weak LLM and ask it to do something very difficult you'll get bad results. You still need to have a fundamental understanding of good coding practices. Using an LLM to code doesn't replace the decision making.

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[–] gigachad@piefed.social 11 points 23 hours ago

I always need to laugh when I read "Agentic AI"

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I can't even get Copilot to write Vitest files for React without making a mountain of junk code that describes drivel.

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[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 4 points 23 hours ago

Sounds exactly like my experience with Vibe Coding.

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