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Reddit stock falls for second day as references to its content in ChatGPT responses plummet (finance.yahoo.com)
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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 28 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The fact that any AI company thought to train their LLM on the answers of Reddit users speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of their own product (IMO)

LLMs aren't programmed to give you the correct answer. They're programmed to give you the most pervasive/popular answer on the assumption that most of the time that will also happen to be the right one.

So when you're getting your knowledge base from random jackasses on Reddit, where a good faith question like "What's the best way to get get gum out of my childs hair" get's two two good faith answers, and then a few dozen smart-ass answers that gets lots of replies and upvotes because they're funny. Guess which one your LLM is going to use.

People (and apparently even the creators themselves) think that an LLM is actually cognizent enough to be able to weed this out logically. But it can't. It's not an intelligence...it's a knowlege agreggator. And as with any aggregator, the same rule applies

garbage in, garbage out

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Thats why I have stopped calling it ai. Its a dumbass buzzword just like cloud, that tech bros like to use but cant explain (or blockchain).

Its llms, and image generators/OCR (which has been around for decades), Using complex markov chains and a fuck ton of graphics cards. NOT AI. NOT AI.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It is AI, along with a bunch of optimization algorithms, statistical decision trees (probably used in adaptive AI in games), etc. AI is a field in computer science that includes a ton of things many wouldn't consider AI.

Basically, if the solution doesn't come from direct commands but instead comes from some form of learning process, it's probably AI.

It's not "general AI", but it is in the field of AI.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

I use the term “inference machine”

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I've had to start calling it AI because most people don't know what LLMs are, and noone cares to go through the explanation, including myself.
I'm afraid that, as these things go, AI has gained a new meaning by popular use, rather than the original meaning of the acronym.
No point fighting it anymore.

Maybe we just need to adjust and start saying GAI (generative ai). It has a nice ring to it too.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

If people are so dumb they dont even know what an llm is, they have no business using any "ai" products. Too bad we cant ban dumb people from using tech that will make them dumber.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 61 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I don't care about their stock value but the situation fells so weird. So chatgpt refers to reddit less, and that makes reddit stock value fall. This really shows how much of the share value is pure hype and how much of "the economy" is pure manupulation of numbers instead of actual value.

[–] AAA@feddit.org 17 points 9 hours ago

That's actually quite easy to explain. Reddits entire monetary value (or at least a very large portion) depends on how relevant it is as platform to mine user interactions - to use as training material for AI.

Reddit getting references less is a sign that the models, or the owning companies, value reddit data less compared to before.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

How decoupled stocks are from reality or value. It’s bizarre.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Tesla is "larger" than all other car companies combined when they're virtually always "delayed" on actually shipping product. We live in bizarro world. Your livelihood is a single cell in a giant spreadsheet full of completely made-up numbers.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Tesla sells itself as a technology innovation company, but it sells hype.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 hours ago

The thing that baffles me on that one is that it doesn’t stand up on its own terms. None of Tesla’s tech in 2025 is ahead of its competitors, and they’ve become so toxic as a brand that most top tier engineers don’t even want to work there.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

meme stocks.

[–] r0ertel@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

You just described most tech stocks.

As Cory Doctrow explains:

the fundamental duty of every CEO of every high-growth tech company: explaining how his company will continue to grow. These growth stories are key, because growth stocks trade at a huge premium relative to the stocks of "mature" companies.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Reddit is a parasite that produces nothing of value. The users are the ones keeping the site alive.

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck reddit.

[–] notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Good. Nazi sympathizing shithole deserves nothing but the worst. Fuck spez and every complicit modgoloid and SSAdmin.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

Modgoloid is great.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 67 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Good. Fuck u/Spez.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Keep in mind if the Reddit stock price fell too much some hedge fund vulture would buy up a majority of the stock and then turn it into Nazi town.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Even better then. That's how the mass migration from twitter happened.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

Happy cake day

[–] expr@programming.dev 9 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Isn't it already basically Nazi town?

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 2 points 7 hours ago

As someone who around when shitredditsays was the bogeyman, always has been.

[–] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It is more disaffected people than nazis. At least the places I was at there. The site wide moderation is pretty fucked in favor of powerful interests, including Nazis however. They like to chase off real people that are driving engagement in favor of the legions of influence agents with their bot accounts.

[–] expr@programming.dev 7 points 13 hours ago

Right, and if the moderation allows Nazi ideology to run rampant, you have a Nazi town. Especially when it's all mostly bots spewing Nazi talking points anyway.

Refusing to fight hate speech is tantamount to supporting it.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Just realized I was posting a reddit habit on a lemmy thread about reddit...

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 points 11 hours ago

The entire site is gpt.

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 44 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

News about short term falls are just click bait. Just look at Tesla

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Tesla stock ups and downs seem like someone is literally gaming the system.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's because he is.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago

the fact that neither Musk nor none of his cronies ever get comeuppance for that tells you everything you need to know about the "fairness" of the "system".

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago

Downvoted because this isn't news. It's clickbaity nonsense which has no bearing on anything real.

[–] etherphon@piefed.world 76 points 22 hours ago (37 children)

Wasted 15 years on that site to be banned for one fucking comment, burn baby burn.

[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I said that folks would blame the Kirk shooting on trans people. What do you know, I was banned and it actually fucking happened.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

i think people were shocked that all thier accounts were banned simulataneously, despite some of them not participating in the same subs, around the same time. they just went after every account in your ip address,device or browser. even if time has passed that a subreddit ban has been lifted in your old accounts. the site filters/AI doesnt take that into account, and i suspect its intentional.

i noticed reddit is very wary of browser forks now too(google, firefox forks), theres a reason they dont like brave(because it hides your fingerprints by default)

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 164 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Reddit banned me today for making a joke that the patch title for Guild Wars 2 could match real life events.

What is the patch name? The Mad King and his Lunatic Court.

Permanently banned for what? Harassment.

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