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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 89 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Microsoft is so incredibly fucked when the AI bubble starts to burst. They've abandoned so many of their other projects and customers to go all-in on it.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I dunno. I feel like they are like the cable company now. They will jus sit there twiddling their nipples while we are all fucked.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I need the cable company (or similar) due to the fact that infrastructure is hard to deploy, and we need Internet to participate in society.

Nobody needs Microsoft cause every single one of their products has an alternative that's at least as good.

They survive by courting enterprises, but many of them can also switch away if they want.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

On a personal basis that works, but they are so corporately entrenched that their products getting shitier matters quite little.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 points 15 hours ago

Nothing like FOSS when it comes to cost cutting.

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago

Seriously this, it would take something like the PCI or SOX declaring Windows outside of compliance for Microsoft to die from bad business decisions in the US. Although German gov switching to Linux starts treading a path through

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[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

An image from South Park. Two Cable Company Employees rubbing their nipples through square patch holes cut out from their shirts

Oh really, how bummed would they be?

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I keep parroting this, but in the next couple of years, I think there will be a couple of giants that fall. I work in ServiceNow and they, like many others, have gone all in on AI. Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it's prohibitively expensive. Nobody is paying 10s of thousands+ extra for the licensing to be able to run agents, and less are paying the extra licensing required for the users to be able to use that agent.

I've now been pulled into copilot studio, and yet again it's another product rushed to market that isn't ready for the big stage. Dog shit documentation and training material, and terrible environment design.

All of these big players have invested so much money in adding AI, nobody wants it, and now they're all hemoragging money.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

Precisely my thoughts. Companies that are all in on this, except for 2 or 3 of the ones that actually are making headway on AI (as opposed to just mirroring Sam Altman's ponzy scheme like Microsoft is doing), will eventually crash and burn.

Look at Apple, they've been left behind in the AI race, but they have other good stuff thatsome of their fans will support (I'm using the word "good" very lightly here), and with their market value and endless cash flow, they are way more likely to still be here 10 years from now.

None of us can see the future, but we can look at the signs. MS will never be a point of reference for AI, as that task belongs to OpenAI and Google exclusively for now (and Meta to some extent).

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Their problem is that they were slower than some, their solution is half baked at best, and it’s prohibitively expensive

Sounds like a lot of company these days.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

Hate to tell you, but we're all incredibly fucked. Least of all Microsoft. They know what they're doing. They most certainly already have a plan for recovery, as they know it's coming just as well as everyone else.

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[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

I was pondering about updating that dying w10 partition, just in case. Well, looks like someone else put the final nail in that coffin for me.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago

fuck off, not my shit you wont

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

And for some reason when I buy a laptop I need to also pay for that disgusting spyware. How is this scam still going on?

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 2 points 21 hours ago

Yeah, the OEM deals in themselves are shady as fuck once you think about it for a couple seconds.

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

MafiaSoft is definitely taking their piece of the action, but laptops from smaller companies like System76 end up costing a fair amount more extra for equivalent hardware than the $50-$100 tax you’re otherwise paying for an OS you’re going to promptly replace. I’d say vote with your wallet, but I realize not everyone can afford to do so.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the lack of mass production causes higher prices. Framework and system76 are doing good things and deserve support. However, the issue imo is a legislative one. You shouldn't be forced to purchase an operating system with your hardware.

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 6 points 1 day ago

the issue imo is a legislative one

Couldn’t agree more. Feels quite monopolistic that everyone buying mass-produced, commodity hardware is also forced to buy a Windows license.

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[–] Decipher0771@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only reason I have a windows box is for gaming, specifically sims (racing and flying)

Ever more reason to test and see if the wheel and flight stick work under Proton.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Bazzite my dude. Check it out, super easy and setup for easy dual boot so you can give it a shot without clearing windows (if shits partitioned right)

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[–] NeryK@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

More unwanted bloat to disable, I guess.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I asked copilot...

How would Microsoft loyalty to US or other government's national security possibly compromise a user's PC if that user gives copilot permission to operate their PC?

How national-security or law-enforcement demands could lead to compromise

  • Compelled access to data Microsoft controls — If Microsoft stores or indexes any of your Copilot data in the cloud, Microsoft can be required by lawful process to produce that data to U.S. or other governments with legal jurisdiction.
  • Compelled changes to services — Governments can issue orders that require providers to change logging, enable access, or install monitoring in ways that may be secret or accompanied by gag orders.
  • Access to telemetry and diagnostics — Diagnostic or telemetry data that Copilot or Windows collects can include evidence of your activity and may be producible under legal request.
  • Local features that capture content — Features designed to assist (for example, an automated “Recall” that snapshots screens) create local records of sensitive material that increase exposure risk if accessed by an authorized party.
  • Remote-control or agent capabilities — If Copilot is granted elevated permissions (input control, script execution, system configuration), those same capabilities could be exercised under legal compulsion or via back-end access mechanisms.
  • Software updates and maintenance — Lawful orders can compel vendors to ship updates or config changes that alter how a product behaves, increasing access to user systems.

Practical ways those legal obligations could manifest on your PC

  • Production of synced or cloud-stored Copilot logs, prompts, or screenshots to authorities.
  • Microsoft being required to provide live access or historical logs from back-end services that the Copilot agent uses.
  • A secret court order or national security letter forcing Microsoft to enable additional logging, monitoring, or remote access for a targeted account or device.
  • Disclosure of keys, tokens, or server-side records that tie on-device events to your identity.

Why elevated permissions matter

  • Read access to files and memory lets an agent capture documents, credentials, or keys.
  • Input/automation control enables actions on your behalf (open files, send messages, change settings).
  • Persistence (services/agents) makes it easier for any compelled access to be effective and harder for you to detect or disable.

Risk-reduction steps you can take now

  • Limit permissions: Grant only the minimal Copilot privileges needed; avoid giving input control, admin rights, or system-level automation.
  • Disable features that capture content: Turn off any screen-snapshot or automatic indexing/Recall-like features if you don’t need them.
  • Avoid cloud syncing for sensitive data: Keep sensitive files off services that sync or index them in the cloud.
  • Prefer on-device-only models: Use local-only AI modes when available so prompts and context do not leave your machine.
  • Use full-disk and file-level encryption with keys you control; avoid storing keys where the vendor could be compelled to retrieve them.
  • Harden account security: Use strong, unique passwords and MFA on accounts tied to Copilot or Microsoft services.
  • Audit logs and telemetry: Review and reduce diagnostic/telemetry settings; regularly review logs for unexpected activity.
  • Segmentation: Use a separate machine or VM for highly sensitive work so a general-purpose Copilot-enabled device doesn’t hold those secrets.
  • Legal & contractual protections: For high-risk contexts, seek contractual commitments, data residency options, or legal counsel about how a vendor handles lawful demands.

Quick practical checklist

  • Turn off automatic screenshot/Recall features.
  • Remove admin permissions from Copilot agent.
  • Keep sensitive work on a non-synced, encrypted volume.
  • Use local-only AI options where offered.
  • Enable and monitor endpoint and network logging for unusual remote access.

Short conclusion Allowing Copilot to operate your PC raises the surface where lawful government demands or compelled actions could expose data or enable access. The likelihood and scope depend on which features you enable (especially cloud sync, screen capture, and elevated permissions) and the legal jurisdiction over the vendor or the data. Minimize permissions, disable content-capture features, and isolate truly sensitive workflows to reduce exposure.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So uhm, copilot just told us not to use these new copilot features.

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But if copilot is untrust worthly according to copilot then why would you believe copilot?

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 6 points 1 day ago

I see where this is going:

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[–] bigchungus@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From what I'm reading it's just Cortana 2.0

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“With Gaming Copilot (Beta)” you can let the AI play the games for you. /s 🤡

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[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All with your permission and built upon the security of Windows 11.

So I can decline. Good.

You’re always in control of what Copilot Actions can do. Copilot Actions is turned off by default and you’re able to pause, take control or disable it at any time.

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

...until we turn it back on for you during any minor update.

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