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So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with IC E shirts/pants/etc.... without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?
It doesn't even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.
Well, Halloween just happened, so there are probably convincing costumes available on discount. Just saying...
Ok time for everyone to dress like I've agents then. Masks for all.
Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it's illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?
It's harder to racially profile a masked person or identify them in general.
Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.
They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.
These guys need de-masking.
Eh, I'm fine with them wearing masks. I'm not fine with them breaking the law and not being accountable. If they wear masks (or even if they don't), they need to be ready to show ID and recite their badge number.
What badge number? They won’t do that. They need demasking.
Every officer has a badge number that uniquely identifies then, and they are legally required to provide that information. When filing a complaint or a lawsuit, you'll provide their name and badge number. If they refuse, you provide as much information as you can (area, time of day, type of vehicle, vehicle number, other officers and badge numbers involved, etc) so they can track the officer down.
I don't know how ICE works specifically, but many police departments require their officers to carry business cards with that information and hand them out upon request.
Civilians have a right to verify that the people involved are actually officers and have a right to identify individual offices to report misconduct.
I don't care if officers wear masks, I only care that they can be uniquely identified.
Have you ever seen an example of an ICE agent sharing a badge number on video from this year?
With their mask-wearing they’re practically advertising their methods. We should take the clue. Everyone still has their COVID masks, right?
Not the point. As long as they remain masked there will be no accountability.
Facial recognition can use nose bridge characteristics, eye distance, eye angle, eye color, etc.
Gait detection can also fingerprint.
Document everything and there will be accountability.
If possible, use a zoom lens and get closeups of their eyes. They are unique signatures.
They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.
We will never get there while they are anonymous. The path to prison starts with de-masking.
You can’t prosecute what has no identification.
Every single one of them has a timecard they're punching with a name, collective punishment against the entire agency should be on the table.
Even those sitting back behind a desk pushing paperwork are enabling the thugs in the streets.
An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien
Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.
Yeah you can, but you'll probably get killed. If you're willing to do that though, then at least make it worthwhile
ICE don't even show their ID do they? They think real police only have warrants and show their ID for no reason. They smahter than all of history combined you know. /s
That depends on who you ask, but likely the courts would side with a citizen requesting ID. The policy seems to be that they must "when it is practical and safe to do so."
AFAIK, this issue has not been tried in court though.
What is the odds that court is where you go?
There's so many other outcomes I keep hearing about in your news, but I don't know the odds.
In practice, pretty low! In the vast majority of cases, people are released within a few hours and not sent to one of the larger detention facilities. As much as the news sensationalizes the handful of cases where that doesn't happen, the likelihood is still quite low that I wouldn't get due process.
If I saw an ICE operation in my neighborhood, I wouldn't be too worried about going up to them and demanding their name and badge number. I'm not going to be "disappeared" or anything like that, especially as a US citizen. The vast majority of those targeted are actually illegal immigrants, and the extras arrested are often obstructing justice in one way or another. If I approach it completely legally, I don't think I'd be falsely accused of something else by those officers.
Don't get me wrong, I am 100% against what ICE is doing. I think they're being a bit too fast and loose with their information, such that they arrest or detain far too many people without actual cause, and those they do arrest with cause they mistreat. I'm not necessarily against illegal immigrants getting deported, but that should be handled with respect and restraint, at least until we get policy to get these good people on some form of temporary status. If someone currently has work here, there should be a really easy way to get that turned into a legal work visa.
We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.
Yup. If someone is abducting someone else and doesn't self-identify, that sounds like an open and shut self-defense case, provided you survive the encounter.
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
I ask because I don't understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.
All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.
From a distance it looks like the American people don't realize what's happening and accept it because "it will be over in 4 years". Keeping them frightened of losing their breadcrumbs also works very well.
That's my impression too. After everything the regime has done so far, I think it's pretty clear that it can no longer be removed by legal means - the legal system already seems to me to have been infiltrated too deeply for that.
It also seems likely to me that MAGA will no longer allow free elections, because that would carry the risk of being voted out of office, which, even in the corrupt US system, could mean severe legal consequences for many of the regime's followers and for all the misdeeds that have already been committed in less than a year. I don't think MAGA will take that chance, especially since ICE is already set up as a kind of secret police force with a budget equivalent to the military spending of a medium-sized country. I mean, what else could an agency like this possibly need such an astronomical budget for other than as a private army loyal to the regime and thus a safeguard in case of resistance from the regular army or the police?
In short: I think the outlook is very bleak, and like you, I'm not convinced that the majority of US citizens are aware of how dangerous the situation is.
From what I’ve seen inside the country, the majority do not see it. The people who do see it aren’t strong enough to fix it, yet…
it can no longer be removed by legal means
It can, it just requires and act of Congress (well, two actually, impeachment and removal), an act by the VP (or maybe the cabinet? I'd need to check), or maybe an act of the Supreme Court to enable lower courts to sentence the president. None of those are currently willing to do so, but that could change after the midterms next year.
MAGA will no longer allow free elections
I guess we'll find out next year.
I think your post is quite paranoid, but we'll see I guess.
It does not. The legal system has essentially lost the ability to be a check on the power of the executive branch. Partly because of the capture of the judiciary and regulatory bodies by right-wing extremists and partly because of the speed at which the executive branch is acting illegally - it takes time to build cases and the jsutice system can't keep up.
The judiciary "interprets" the constitution. Trump filled the judiciary with loyalist or otherwise ideologically aligned judges during this term and his previous. The supreme court ruled last year that the president has immunity, and the president has the ability to pardon people, so it seems the administration is pretty much "above the law." Even when the courts do push back, they're acting like they're powerless, and the admin's tactics seems to be just ignoring, stalling, or taking the "ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball" approach to working around the courts. Yes, the constitution has been severely weakened, and will probably continue to weaken.
Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?
Hybrid Regime is how I describe the US. It's a weird limbo state between Democracy and Autocracy (because if this was a full autocracy, I wouldn't have access to Lemmy and most anti-trump media would've been raided and shut down). Afaik, they aren't doing exit controls yet.
The major difference between the US and PRC (where I came from), is that Americans seem more willing to resist the government compared to mainland Chinese, and these demonstrations in the US are actually being reported on, in China, its absolute silence, nobody even knows about the very little protests that do happen.
But, by the time EU starts accepting American Refugees, it'd probabably be too late and they would've imposed exit controls by then.
Idk what will happen, only time will tell.
Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.
In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.
It doesn’t matter. At this point resistance is a responsibility. They will lie and make shit up either way so challenge them while you still can.
Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?
Most of us are well aware of that. I live in a neighborhood with a pretty high Hispanic population. ICE was reported just a few blocks from my house on Thursday, zero trick-or-treaters on Friday. There are still a discouraging about of people saying they support Trump and what he's doing on Nextdoor. I want to believe they're bots.
Remember kids, Juggalo makeup defeats facial recognition. Woop woop!
Everybody wear drag queen makeup!
