De-googled phones exist, but they’re rooted or using a custom firmware. Usually, these phones spoof Google Play Services, replacing that layer with something called MicroG.
So root and flash your phone today!
this post was submitted on 03 Nov 2025
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Is that a quote from the article? I feel compelled to add that, wrt mobile devices, it is possible to live without Google Play Services.
i dont bother spoofing google play services, all my apps work without it, infact you can just disable google play services on android phones stock rom (or at least that has been my experience so far) and thats what I have done, sure gmaps embed now doesnt work but i havent needed it, my bank app works fine, whatsapp will throw a random "please enable google play services" notification once day but it works fine without any issues
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- By forcing you to use a non-anonymous Google Account.
- Then tying it with Google Play Services on that device.
- Google Play Services are like a combo of arteries and nerves of Android OS.
That's how.
Aurora Store, Fdroid etc. Graphene or similar OS. They got greedy - now they get nothing.
me laughing in de googled phone. my phone as never had had my gmail address typed in it.
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Good thing I mostly use F-Droid (because finding anything useful on Google Play is a pain)
That doesn't stop or turn off google services, or services framework, or safety scan, or scanning your images, or reading your contacts and phone logs, what apps you use, when you use them, biometric data, location data, etc.
You can mitigate against these by limiting permissions or appops with adb or shizuku enabled programs.
Uninstall/disable as many google apps, components, and services as safely possible.
Use a DNS filter to block Google from sending data, DNS rebinding, and using mdns for internet.
Or go all the way and use graphene or similarly degoogled OS.
It bitches very often when you disable Google Pain Services.
You can't delete the 1GB malware either.
Google Pain Services
Not sure if typo or intentional joke
Holy shit, this article is garbage... the base premise that Play Services can access anything is true, but so many bad claims.
Google Play Services is a system app on phones that ship with Google services, and is the case on the author's phone too, since he could only disable the app, not delete it. System apps can still be updated separately from the system, if their signature matches the updated version's signature.
Also, I don't think they dedicate enough time to describe just how much data Google gets through your device, like how it logs your location for Google Maps' business popular times indicators and traffic metrics, or how they use all of your data to give you hyper-targeted advertising.
As for microG, it also runs with elevated permissions on most custom ROMs, and for some features (eg. integrity checks) it downloads & runs Google-made programs (eg. DroidGuard) with strong privileges. DivestOS (now discontinued) used to run microG in a sandbox.
There are ways to run Play Services as a normal app if the custom ROM has a compatibility layer for it, like GrapheneOS, where you can selectively enable permissions for Play Services. Of course, if you refuse some permissions, some features will break (eg. refuse SMS/call access and RCS will break), but it's a mostly usable situation.
Holy shit this is rage bait. What a title.
I dont understand... Its describing what android does. How can that be rage bait?
Nobody will rage over any of this. Its common knowledge already. Its the same thing that has been discussed for years.
Yeah this is what passes for tech journalism nowadays
I have GrapheneOs installed which sandboxes any google bullshit needed for specific apps to run.
Twinsies
easiest way to stop that ☞
pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.android.gsf
pm uninstall --user 0 com.google.android.ims
pm uninstall --user 0 com.android.vending
This is a good tip, but what will stop working or start acting up and is this guaranteed to survive reboots/upgrades?
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The article seems to go directly from "this piece of software talks to all the sensors and isn't well sandboxed" to "Google has directed this software to profile and surveil users" without actually providing evidence to support that leap. Is Google Play Services sampling your location so that it can send it in to Google HQ as part of a secret location tracking operation that runs without user consent or knowledge, or so that it can detect if the device has been stolen by the cops and use its proprietary ML model to activate anti-theft mode to protect the user's privacy?
If we can actually show mismanagement of user data by Google Play Services, we need to shout it to the hills, because those sorts of scandals are important arguments for increased privacy protections. But we need to actually find that mismanagement occurring, not just assume it must be because Google wrote the code and it isn't open source.
Part of the problem with this stuff is that the corporations using it are very hush-hush about what exactly they use it for. The privacy policy just lists what they may collect (everything) and what they may use it for (anything).
And the very few valid reasons for data collection are drowned in this. You consent to either all or nothing. Some consent that is.
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I disagree that we need to find mismanagement first.
Never mind that Google is 100% opaque from outside and is not subject to inspections by its users.
Even if Google had an open door policy inviting and empowering any and all citizen auditors, I would still disagree that Google gets the benefit of doubt by default, and only after something blows up can we begin asserting our interests.
I think we can assert our interests any time, for any reason, and for no reason at all, with arbitrary aggressiveness, limited only by our own practical considerations.
Instead of waiting for things to go wrong, we can protect our interests before there is even a chance of things going wrong.
Can.
Will we? Each person has to consider their situation pragmatically, but if they considered everything and decided to assert themselves, we would be idiots to insist Google gets the first dibs, they have the initiative, and so how dare we want to limit Google in any way without first PROVING harm. Horse. Shit.
I take the same view toward any monopolies in general. We should not bother proving harm. We should break all monopolies as a matter of principle, even if they are "harmless."
And Google shound be given as close to zero information as possible. As a matter of principle.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Is Google Play Services sampling your location so that it can send it in to Google HQ as part of a secret location tracking operation that runs without user consent or knowledge
Yes they track your phone's location and movement constantly, but it's not a secret.
For an example of the evidence you seek... Google SensorVault location data was how they identified and convicted the January 6 terrorists. You might argue that complying with warrants isn't misuse of the data, but I'd argue that both the data itself, and the level of precision and detail, shouldn't be captured and logged in the first place. And I'm fairly sure that most google customers have no idea how pervasive and extensive the tracking is.
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When you open the maps indoor you get immedieate location. This is not from GPS but from Wifi and cell tower data. This is only possible because your phone constatly transmits your location and network data. You can also call it surveilance because its 24/7 logging and processing of your location data.
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Is Google Play Services sampling your location so that it can send it in to Google HQ as part of a secret location tracking operation that runs without user consent or knowledge, or so that it can detect if the device has been stolen by the cops and use its proprietary ML model to activate anti-theft mode to protect the user’s privacy?
They're the same picture.
If we can actually show mismanagement of user data by Google Play Services, we need to shout it to the hills
We can, and many have been for many years.
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