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If you ever tried the infamous "Update and shut down" option in any Windows build, it often leads to a reboot instead to an actual shutdown. Now, Microsoft has finally fixed this issue starting with Windows 11 25H2 Build 26200.7019 (or 26100.7019 on 24H2). According to the Windows Latest, Microsoft has shipped this broken functionality way back with Windows 10, and has never fixed it since. However, the Windows teams working behind the update have finally managed to ship a working solution with a note stating in Windows 11 experiences that the new build: "Addressed underlying issue which can cause "Update and shutdown" to not actually shut down your PC after updating."

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[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 13 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Maybe one day they’ll fix applications on the task bar not focusing when you click on them, don’t get confused here, these are applications already open and in the background but clicking the icon on the taskbar occasionally does nothing until you manually bring it to the foreground.

Wild this is a billion dollar company.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think you missing just a few zeroes there.

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean technically I am right, they are worth at least 1 billion dollars, didn’t feel like looking up their gross/net earnings.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 2 points 45 minutes ago

It was meant as a tongue in cheek, not a dig at you :)

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

I don't think windows is how they make most of their money

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

maybe next they can work on making shut down actually shut down too, instead of me coming back three hours later to the remainders of a poor attempt

[–] nukeforyou@lemmy.zip 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Was this typed from muscle memory?

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Good timing. The straw the broke the camel’s back before switching to Linux two months ago was watching my PC reboot after “update and shutdown” and saying “I shouldn’t have to deal with this!”

[–] phubarr@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago

"Too little, too late"

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 18 hours ago

That's basically what pissed me off too, but instead I set up an MECM server to control updates.

What finally made me switch is it bluescreened on boot after an update. Even a fresh install, as soon as I applied the latest update, it bluescreened every time again. No point in fighting that when Debian is right there and it Just Works.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

For now. In due time, they will have some regression much like how Windows always breaks down and makes me cry.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 74 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Great. Now can we have the option for a vertical task bar back?

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

How about today's, random complete freeze. Had to hard reboot then spend 30 minutes watching it trying to "fix the issue". It then failed to find anything. So I had to force it to reboot to windows. Then it worked fine the rest of the day.

While it was down, I was working on my 11 year old, budget laptop running Mint.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine using an operating system that you don’t have to labor away to escape advertisements and upselling after every update.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

true dat.

my statement was more you can do whatever you want in KDE

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, but it'll take them another ten years

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just for the sake of the anecdote, I just discovered that in KDE Plasma, you can put a taskbar anywhere you like, including vertically, resize it, and even rotate it at an arbitrary angle! it's pretty much useless... but you can

[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 17 hours ago

You can even have like...40 taskbars floating in the middle of the screen!

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 16 hours ago

I love the vertical task bar in KDE. It does exactly what I want it to, and that's so refreshing.

[–] tordenflesk@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It baffles me how few people know that they can just replace the Explorer shell.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/shell-launcher/

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You could have vertical task bar in vanilla windows 10. They took it out in 11 because fuck you, presumably.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

They rewrote it and only implemented half the features. Just like the settings app and a bunch of other things. Because who ever cared about feature parity?

[–] Nelots@piefed.zip 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That baffles you? I'd be willing to bet that 99% of windows users don't even know what explorer.exe is.

[–] original_reader@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Even just a top bar would be great.

How could the taskbar regress so badly?

Literally one of the reasons Windows boots so rarely on my devices.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Why the fuck are they fighting the vertical task bar? Or the 3D files folder? I've wasted so much time in connecting this shite OS from OneDrive and copilot.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

I don‘t know what you mean. I can have vertical or horizontal bars wherever I want, how many I want and with different apps pinned to each if I want. KDE Linux btw.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So, I settled on Nobara (Plasma desktop) almost week ago now. Besides my troubles with Wacom tablet (it happens with all distros I tried, no solution so far), it's all good. The OS isn't constantly nagging me about something. It doesn't lie about not restarting when I ask it to hold off -and consequently lose no work because of it. There is no random ad on the login screen. No web results sorted to appear first when I type to search for a local file or command. I can disable stuff I don't use, such as window animations, etc. No shovelware like one-fucking-drive or some LLM butler taking up room, ram, and mental health.

All in all, I feel weirdly at peace when using this machine. It's just a tool that's succeeding in getting out of the way.

The only downside is I can't use the Affinity suite, but besides that... perfect

[–] far_university1990@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks ! will certainly test when I get the chance. No hardware acceleration isn't surprising, but it may be worth the trouble still

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Please share findings :-3

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 1 day ago

Been using Nobara for nearly a year. Pretty solid. My biggest complaint about the distro is googling it spoiled an anime I wasn't really planning on watching in the first place.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 24 points 1 day ago

Excellent. Sometimes I'd use the option for my work machine on a Friday only to find the fucking thing had rebooted instead.

Let's see if it behaves when I do it in an hour or two.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One reason why it's trash, tackled. A million more to go. Can't wait to see their progress in 2036

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago

More bugs, less fixes.

[–] cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Oh, this was a general issue? It was driving me crazy as I was certain I hit "shut down" instead of "reboot". I am soon getting a Linux laptop at work anyway (I've only been waiting about 5 montha for it now, so any day now!) - so I will hopefully not experience this fix.

[–] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How convenient that windows 10 support is over. They probably had the fix and waited to ensure more people downgrade to 11

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago

dude my win10 install at work has been getting seemingly exponentially more glitchy in the past month or two. it seems intentional at this point

[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Too little too late. Shit like this would not fly in an open OS and is they were only able to do it that long, as they give a shot about customer demands. Fuck these proprietary software! Never again will i be held back by corpo software!

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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, so they wait until just after Windows 10 reaches EOL to release the patch for this annoying bug. Typical. They've probably had the solution ready for ages.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But there will never be another Windows 10 update, so it's really no longer an issue.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 3 points 16 hours ago

That's my point. I feel like they have been sitting on this for a while and didn't release it ages ago because it would be one more thing to reduce the odds of people shifting from 10 to 11.

[–] Live_your_lives@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I wish I would have had that issue instead. What happened for me was that it would shut down like normal, but then I would get a BSOD on startup, have to restart the computer, reinstall the update, and manually choose restart again (it had to be from the startup menu, not from a windowed program) to actually get it installed.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Oh, I had thought it was me hitting the wrong button

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