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As someone who has been in Internet, e-commerce and the all around development of the web almost since its inception, this article makes me feel very, very old.

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[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Alternate title:

In 1995, a Netscape employee wrote a hack in 10 days that ruined the Internet

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

And native software.

Because JavaScript runs everywhere, we have companies creating "apps" and PC "programs" that are little more than glorified web views. There's normally nothing wrong with having shared code across implementations, but when that shared code is a 4 MB bundle of crap that creates 100s of MB in dictionaries and JIT compiler caches, you're ruining the end-user experience.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

100s of MB in dictionaries and JIT compiler caches

Don't forget the hundreds of MBs of NPM dependencies

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

To be fair this happen because developing in web app is much easier and cheaper sometimes more secure than having to learn some esoteric framework and language around it. That doesn't help with native software have limited UI framework in general compared to what we get with browsers.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

And, if I recall correctly, the other option besides rolling their own interpreter was to just use Scheme as the browser scripting language. Which would have been immeasurably better.

[–] watson@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I know what you mean, buddy. I remember when Netscape navigator was a new and amazing piece of software. All I’d ever used before that was NCSA Mosaic.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

BEST LOADING ANIMATION I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED

[–] watson@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

This is giving me flashbacks of waiting 10 minutes for a page to load

[–] YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

My god that is nostalgic.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 months ago
[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Regardless of everything else, this animation was still the coolest thing ever

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] watson@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude… I’ve used text-based internet. Long, long ago, when all you got was webpages in plain text.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hello fellow Kermit, Gopher and Usenet veteran.

[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Kermit, so fancy! I remember the excitement of discovering ZMODEM and how much better it was than the old standard of XMODEM.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Usenet is still in use. And so is Nostr and Geminispace.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 2 months ago

I miss that animated logo when loading a new site. Felt like I was in for something awe-inspiring.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 2 months ago

I am obligated to comment on this due to my profile picture. 💜

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you know what eich also did?

he funded/staffed/managed/supported another language into life

the language that's going to save computing for humanity

RUST

redemption arc complete

[–] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well he's also got some disagreeable political opinions, so I dunno about redemption.

The success of Rust can be laid at the feet of many people, but critically Graydon Hoare — He wrote an article a couple years ago about his stewardship, and it's been something I go back to frequently. Just reading you get a sense of the immense intelligence, maturity, and sensitivity he possess, and imbued the project with.

https://graydon2.dreamwidth.org/307291.html

[–] philpo@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, and Eich is the a***e behind brave....

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I've started using raw JavaScript in all my projects. There's something about not relying on any libraries that makes it feel so much more powerful. The best AI models are very good at writing raw JavaScript, meaning you can easily create your own single page application structure. All I want are single page web applications using pure HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.