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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/47449079

I stumbled across this link in the comment of another post, and thought it was super promising!

Someone mentioned something about in the US, this would be illegal due to DRM laws - not sure about the specifics of this, but regardless an open source printer seems like something we've needed for ages, as printers are something that always seem like way more of a headache then they need to be. It seems like such a simple technology that has existed for quite some time, but they are always such a pain to deal with. (Maybe it's just my bad luck with printers?)

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 67 points 4 days ago (3 children)

FYI its not actually open source. Its a cool idea but you can't actually sell it or sell derivatives of it. Even at zero-sum. This hinders any actual forks from being successful, as any intention to sell the product (even without aiming for profits) is forbidden by their license. It just allows for tinkerers as contributors without properly allowing forks. Makes me a bit sad tbh, because its so close to being awesome.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago

Well that's disappointing.

[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the classic "if you can't build it yourself you don't deserve it". Very cool, surely people will not go for an older laser printer instead.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

No they sell it, but only the founders themselves. So better than a modern DRM HP Printer but still, not really FOSS sadly. I hope they change their mind on the license

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I saw a maker the other day that released his plans on his project with a non-commercial license. He later found it was being sold on Amazon. He contacted an attorney friend of his, the attorneys said that the maker licensees are only truly effective on art.

If it's a physical functional product, you have very little in the way of legal protection from a creative common license, which kind of sucks because the proper legal method would then be patent, but that puts us in the same scenario that you can't copy it for a non-profit.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean with the right legal set-up you could make it work. Make a foundation that releases it under a non-profit license and holds the patent. It could allow for selling derivatives without major profit margins but it'd be difficult to set up.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Might work, but you'd be the precedent. As hasn't as I can tell it hasn't beed tested without it being art.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 days ago

99% of the difficulty is in the proprietary HP printheads they're using. Once hp realizes they're being used for this, they'll cut them out of the market in the bat of an eye.

it's cool but it's still based on parts that degrade and you can't manufacture.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 53 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Illegal due to US govt wanting discrete traceable patterns printed so they can track money duplication on colour printer or track Ransom letters?

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Good thing I live outside of the US then ;)

This looks awesome...hope they make it, I'd buy one if it isn't toooo expensive.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I imagine that similar regulations exist in the EU. For instance, no copy machine will let you copy a Euro bill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's the anti-copy mechamism I recall reading about long ago. I wonder if/how this project will deal with that?

[–] kubica@fedia.io 26 points 4 days ago

Freedom strikes again.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

https://www.eff.org/issues/printers

Not legal, it's not a law. The government "persuaded" the manufacturers.

[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

So what? Thats exactly why I WANT a custom built printer, fucking spying shits.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Well, it being open source helps get around that

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Where are you seeing that it’s illegal? I own a pen plotter that can print things without tracking dots and that’s not illegal. I don’t see why this would be any different.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Come and Take it

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nope, this was only done on laser printers and not all of them.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

My non laser colour had it. Left yellow dots on photos, drove me crazy

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In a world of homebrew 3D printers and CNC machines, it's kinda weird there never was a similar option for a regular printer.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

2D printers are way more difficult than 3D printers. The only reason we didn't have 3D printers in the 90s is Stratasys and their stranglehold patents. Hobby-level 3D printers only became a thing because the Stratasys patents expired.

Before that they were just able to ask for €70k for what's essentially a cheap ABS FDM printer.

Because printers generally just worked and buying OEM expensive refills was a temporary discomfort that, if it bothered you enough, you could work around by getting third party refills and save some money.

But since they’ve started locking down printers to reject refilled cartridges and third party cartridges it’s come to a head and people are looking for alternatives.

3D and CNC are entirely different animals, for multiple reasons. There were pretty much zero hobbyist devices and the available ones were so far out of reach that nobody could afford them except prototyping labs or manufacturers. The hobbyists did most of the legwork making 3D printers and home CNC work before manufacturers decided it was worth getting into the technology. Nobody needed really needed them like paper printers were needed for everything from school work to everyday business.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This is an ink jet printer that uses HP print head / ink cartridges.. Fwiw, repairable impact printers have been around longer than computers. Think of old fashioned teleprinters. Noisy, but likely to survive the apocalypse.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Where're ya gonna get sprocket-feed fanfold paper these days, though, let alone in the apocalypse?

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm curious how they source the ink.

I recently watched a video about a 3D printer with color that is effectively obsolete because it used what was once common hp cartridges that hp discontinued.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you lean on any proprietary component, any printing company is going to intentionally make you obsolete. For them, it's a no-brainer.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

As another replier said, they use an HP cartridge. So this open printer will be ewaste in 5 years

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 days ago

HP print cartridges.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 16 points 4 days ago

Of all the available printer cartridges, they chose those from HP? Eeeeew

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This isn't new. I remember seeing a promotion for this exact same printer many years ago already. I'd approach it with suspicion.

[–] UNY0N@lemmy.wtf 6 points 4 days ago

I had the same thought. I signed up to be notified when the project starts, but never got an email.

Perhaps they have just had massive delays, but I too would suggest caution.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I like all my documents to curl up.

[–] pageflight@piefed.social 18 points 4 days ago

You can print on standard sheets or paper rolls and choose between black or color cartridges, refillable at your convenience.

[–] lung@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

I unironically want this to make wizard scrolls

[–] pageflight@piefed.social 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sounds great. I can't figure out what the status is. Working prototype? Manufacturing?

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

I'm disappointed they say coming soon. Laat year or so, when they announced it, everyone assumed immediate availability.

And it will still need cyan to print a bw document lol!

[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It’s going to break doesn’t matter that it is open source. It’s a printer at heart.

[–] SergeantGarcia@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Printers can work. At work we have these big canon plotters for big posters. They are basically super size inkjet printers. They have been printing for years and they never need maintenance.

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