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Time for more users to adopt GrapheneOS
When we were young adults and couldn't buy our own booze, we made it. Let's do something like that here.
That is what F-Droid would be, on Android. If it survives…
Of course, we have SailfishOS, postmarketOS, and other small ones, too.
Damn I was not nearly that based at 20. And given that you're on a Canadian instance and this is about the UK, I'm assuming you're talking more like 16-17…
My Apple account is probably old enough to vote…
Why is there no privacy respecting solution for age verification? Like the government giving you some sort of token that says you’re over 18 and that’s it?
What if I told you that by regulation, the EU age verification system has to be anonymous and that it’s only the AUKUS countries that are moving forward in a way where anonymity is “a nice to have”.
Denmark’s system, which is a front-runner implementation in the EU, is going to be fully ZKP.
And yes it’s basically built with tokens.
You identify with a government system in an app. The services issues you signed tokens that are anonymous. You hand these anonymous tokens over to the sites that demand proof of age.
Anyone have a more in-depth technical description of how that works? I'm interested.
That sounds great. I don’t follow the topic closely (probably I should), so wasn’t aware of these developments. This should be brought up in all discussions about age verification, so everyone knows there are better options.
Some people will feel that it’s not ideal, as you still have to trust the government, opposed to full anonymity, but that is a bit of a separate problem.
Because its not about age verification, its about tracking and controlling you and making a privacy respecting solution isn't compatible with that.
So there should be a rebuttal demanding a privacy respecting age verification token, instead of just arguing against age verification, which technically does have a point. This way it’s disabled as excuse to sneak in the other things.
No, we still need to be against it. I said tracking and controlling, not just tracking.
They are already blocking resources that shouldn't be blocked from youth, and even a privacy centric method would still let them do that, and then expand it to anything at a whim in the future.
We don't want the internet built on this infrastructure, it would br a disaster.
Because then you can share the token and everyone can use it
I'm sure a more robust solution is possible though.
Personal ids can also be used by non-owners, not much different than this theoretic age verification token. But yeah, ideally it would have a security layer to sufficiently confirm ownership.
Ah tbh I just realised that with the tokens being unique you could still limit accounts per token to 1, achieving the same effect as using real ID.
There is!, one of the officially recognised and approved ways is credit card verification, however afaik only steam is doing that.
I mean a dedicated, government issued age verification token that doesn’t reveal any data to the third party other than you are allowed access age wise.
Teens can travel alone and setup their phone in France or Ireland, or buy their phone from a dealer. All the cool kids will have free phones and be on snapchat, forcing everybody else to follow suit.
IT GETS TO A POINT
Looks like the ways they’re doing this is via credit card or account age. I wanted to keep my current phone until it died before switching to something else but fuck me, who knows what nonsense they’ll make us do in the near future.
no problem, I'll just use apps from outside of the App Store, right?
You could, if you lived in the EU :)
The UK government is so god damn dumb.
evil*
Both
they arent dumb tho. this is the dystopia they want to build.
if a phone is tied to a svc acct like a telco provider- age verification should be automatic as THAT provider cannot open an acct for a child.
Wow, thats fucked. I hope Australia doesn't decide to do this as well. This shit is happening so quickly at the moment
I think they did this first, at least they passed the law first. Our "left center" government in action.
> can't have apps without an account
> cave have an account without a loicense
Will this finally kill off the "Apple is private enough" mantra I always hear?
