this post was submitted on 28 Mar 2026
680 points (99.0% liked)

Technology

83220 readers
2926 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Nextcloud, Ionos and other partners are developing an open-source office suite under the project name „Euro-Office“ as an alternative to the market-dominant Microsoft Office.

The two partners are not starting from scratch, but have forked the components of OnlyOffice available as open-source code and want to build on them. In the summer, the software is then intended to replace the previous office component Collabora in Nextcloud and the Ionos Nextcloud Workspace. A ‘technical preview’ is already available on GitHub.

While this is a good news, I think they should move from github, you know microslop copilot..

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 147 points 2 days ago (4 children)
[–] froh42@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Because the Only Office source is more modern while Libre Offices's source code now is around 35 years old. At least that was the reasoning in one of the articles I read.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 2 days ago (6 children)

So old code is now suddenly bad? Weird and somewhat also not the case, as LibreOffice is constantly updated.

I guess it is a preference. I for myself tend to rather use a FreeBSD than Fedora for production environments.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Sometimes it is better to start fresh.

Especially when you want to be the owner of something.

Libre has 35 years of good, bad, and the ugly. It's has 35 years of tech debt, and design choices made. That's not easy to just "fix"

It's a completely different beast to sift through legacy code than it is to just start fresh requiring a completely separate set of skills.

Not getting rid of the old is one of the many reason Windows is such a shit show. Every program today in 2026 asks itself "Am I Barbie Riding Club(1996)? Before it runs because it needs a special compatibility mode". Why inherit among the million other issues if you don't want to?

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Technical debt is a thing. Everyone says Xorg is too old to be maintained so we have to switch to Wayland for example. I don't know the state of Libre Office but it's possible it simply can't be easily migrated to newer, better tools.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Old isn't necessarily bad, unless years of decision-making have left it in a massively complex state (see also: Xorg)

The real reason here is that LibreOffice is written in C++, which is falling rapidly out of fashion for modern apps, leading to a smaller supply of developers.

Contrast this with Onlyoffice. Yes, the document engine is still written in C++, however the build tools use more modern items like python and onlyoffice supports having Javascript frontends and scripting, making it easier to source web devs to work on these parts.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

So old code is now suddenly bad?

Yes. It must go stale without some kind of needless churn; right?

I loved solving a problem that redhat cant fix (because the smart people left) on their theForeman clone with a workaround that I learned from the days of NIS+. A 30-year-old workaround for last year's shitty install.

But fear of established, known-good code will certainly change that in the long run: ifconfig, netstat, ifup, fstab, xinet, service; the more we can churn out the working tools for neu dreck coded by dunning-kruger lost-boys kids who had no mentoring to prevent dumb patterns, the less the working solutions for known-good tools will work. And that's, some how, "progress".

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (10 replies)
[–] Link@rentadrunk.org 53 points 2 days ago

That was my thought and Nextcloud already supports Collabora Office which is a fork of LibreOffice Online I believe.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Because it's RDP based (unless something has changed). OnlyOffice is HTTP based, so it slots in perfectly for online portals.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] rndmdsplyname@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Honestly this stinks of potential enshitification downstream. Libreoffice and Openoffice are just fine. Nextcloud's posture in the market and "Brand name feel" sets of my alarm that it is like 5 minutes away from charging people subscriptions for self-hosting if they don't already. Synology runner up?

[–] sicco@feddit.nl 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Nextcloud's business model is service contracts. Which is going great. The origin story of Nextcloud is that ownCloud was too commercial (open core) instead of fully open source, so they forked it. I haven't seen any moves by Nextcloud that has moved their focus from open source to hint at enshitification. Your claims are rather bold and without proof. Nextcloud doesn't even use LibreOffice, but the online derivative Collabora. Also OpenOffice has been dead for more than a decade so I don't know why you even reference that. Are you confusing this with the totally different OnlyOffice ('only' not 'open') which this news is actually about?

Their fork of OnlyOffice is actually because it is open core and they want it fully open source: https://github.com/Euro-Office/#euro-office-liberates-the-onlyoffice-code-base

[–] rndmdsplyname@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven’t made any claims. My comment is about the “vibes” of NextCloud as a “product” and “company”, if you want objectivity in what i’m saying.

Im not a nextcloud user and it’s good that you personally don’t feel that they’ve made any moves towards enshitification but we’ve seen countless companies start with great and pure intentions that unfortunately throw that all out the window when: an opportunity to be a market leader, opportunity of profits becomes too great, or the userbase becomes significant enough. “Open Source” seems to unfortunately be part of the tech company corporate playbook.

We live in a world where organizations and companies get to change terms after sale now. While it is not zero sum, if you’re not exercising skepticism towards those trying to offer you something, you’re probably doing yourself a disservice. Nothing is truly free.

Also, OpenOffice is definitely not dead lol https://www.openoffice.org/

Nothing is truly free. Absolutely. They are living of their contracts and are doing rather well.

That leads me to my point: there are profits and they are already bring made. (Yeah capitalism, can always be more. But since they started as a fork they know the risks and might not even feel that that is the right way to go.)

Skepticism yay, feeling something is legitimate but shouldn't be a guiding beacon for the general public.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Good podcast episode interviewing Frank Kolichek were the folk is mentioned : https://opensourcesecurity.io/2026/2026-02-nextcloud-frank-karlitschek/

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Nextcloud is free software (aGPL v3) though so your worries are very misleading.

[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

This project is not "Nextcloud" only. There are eight vendors competing on Nextcloud also contributing.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

LibreOffice doesn’t run on mobile.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They need to come up with a less cringe name than EuroOffice if they want any adoption. Not going to replace nationalism with pan-European nationalism.

[–] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sounds good to me! I hope they support the open document formats better than onlyoffice currently does. Also euro-office isn't a particularly good name, although it has the advantage of being explicit about where it's based.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It looks like a well deserved middle finger to the US.

[–] peromocibob@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would suggest FreedomOffice.

It's like "freedom fries", but with actual freedom.

Maybe liberation office, or just LibreOffice for short.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting, it is a fork of Onlyoffice.

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yup, with the few closed source parts rewritten in OSS, and a full audit conducted. Guessing they chose it since it is more modern than Libre and web-native.

[–] mysweat@ani.social 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (24 children)

Are there any actually good replacements for Excel? As an intermediate/advanced user, every alternative I've tried to date pales in comparison. I can't see anyone in my industry switching away from MS because of this, as things currently stand.

Edit: I didn't expect so many replies. I use Sync (I know, it sucks and is dead) and it didn't inform me I had replies, so I'm only just seeing them, apologies. Can't get to everyone though.

For those who think we're using Excel as a database, not really. Can't get into specifics regarding industry, but personally I use Excel daily for a variety of things, none of which is data entry. I build stuff to help calculate and solve issues; I'm not following a specific process in most scenarios. 🤷

[–] kaiyo@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago (21 children)

I hear this argument a lot but no one ever gives details as to what common features excel has vs say libreoffice. I'm really curious, because i'd like to contribute free time in this direction.

[–] mysweat@ani.social 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

My answer isn't going to be helpful, because I can't remember specifically what I was doing, but even for a small personal project a year ago, I tried to do something I consider basic, and OnlyOffice (what I was trying out at the time) couldn't handle it and was ridiculously slow.

[–] r4mp@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 days ago (5 children)

What I always find missing in all these Excel vs. other spreadsheet software debates is the rationale for using a spreadsheet in the first place. I work a lot with large corporations, and it’s often the case that they can’t move away from Excel because, in the past, they relied on it to solve a process in a way that—at least today—could and should be handled better. Perhaps we should question the process more often and the Excel alternatives less.

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

exactly this. Spreadsheets are so simple to understand that people think and communicate in spreadsheets. Managers don't understand how much they fucking love them. Its like a cult. They make everybody meet 5 times a week to look at various spreadsheets together. And don't see how ineffective they often are.

"we have a problem? Ok lets make a spreadsheet! Oh, the problem wasn't solved yet? Ok then look at the spreadsheet every week now!"

[–] mech@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The issue is that a lot of processes need to be understood by people who have no IT background. Your basic office drones need to be able to use it, enter data, and make changes. Every applicant in an office job will be relatively proficient in Excel.
If you move your process to another solution, the majority of your employees will have to be re-trained.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Quicky@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As a data consultant, I would say those companies already do question the process, and have done for decades.

Yes there are countless situations where a dedicated system or database could and should replace Excel, but there are just as many scenarios where Excel is ideal, and swapping out a spreadsheet for what would be potentially tens of separate applications across the business, or one absurdly expensive behemoth, to perform tasks that could be done rapidly and clearly in Excel is neither practical nor economically viable for most companies. A spreadsheet is perfect for plenty of situations.

My job is literally to help these companies move to appropriate database solutions, often transitioning away from Excel. But there’s no getting around that a spreadsheet solves (often simple) problems that are impractical with other tools. You can move a company to a supplier’s sector-specific solution and solve huge numbers of issues, but unless that solution exactly meets every aspect of the business requirements, there’s always going to be a fallback and it’s often Excel, for better or worse.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (19 replies)
[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

I like Grist, it's a step closer to a database but is still as easy to use then a spreadsheet.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 days ago (18 children)

May I suggest Python ?

By the time you get tits deep in Excel to the point where other spreadsheets can't hack it, you may as well be using a real programming language instead of VBA...

If you can do advanced Excel, you can do Python (and numpy will crush Excel in ways that aren't even funny, well OK, it's funny too).

[–] mysweat@ani.social 1 points 13 hours ago

This is a good suggestion which could work in some cases for sure.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

btw, libreoffice calc supports python macros, so you don't need to choose between the two

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (16 replies)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In what ways to they fail? I've used LibreOffice forever and don't have any specific complaints, but I'm definitely not using any of the more advanced features.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love and use LibreOffice, but I do find Calc much harder to work with than Excel. PivotTables, sortable lists with locked headings and sort-buttons, even simply setting print area were all harder for me to get used to and implement on Calc than Excel.

I persist because I like the goal of FOSS, and it's "good enough" for my usage, I can definitely understand when people show frustrations - especially power users that have worked with MS Office for decades.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

That's because most people are not willing to migrate their macros and some formulas from excel (lazy fucks that they are). It's doable, I've done it, did it years ago, and now build new ones for libre office all the time.

I have never had to rely on, or even use, microshit's software since then, haven't had anything not work for me. Being the imbecile that I am at those things and having managed to make them work, it's just a matter of choosing to do it, which most people choose not to.

[–] fizzle@quokk.au 9 points 2 days ago

People always say this about LO.

I have a small finance consultancy, and we're a LO shop all day every day.

Its fine.

load more comments (18 replies)
[–] pgo_lemmy@feddit.it 16 points 2 days ago

The article is on a 'pay or ok' site.

load more comments
view more: next ›