This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Now it's an international matter of national security. Let's go world, time to de-americanize your tech.
Maybe the EU can slap some fines on that? It's anti competitive and against the DMA i assume
The EU can fine them for things like this but it won't make much difference. To provoke long term change, we need a way to block them from our countries and that's impossible.
Let's start by fining them ^^
They can also enforce changes if they want access to the EU market
We can't afford to start a real war with them because they control far too much of our technology. Yes, we could threaten to block their access to our markets but what if they don't change their behaviour? Do we go through with it? Some of their services are critical to our daily lives and just one day without a few of them and entire systems would collapse.
EDIT: Big tech corporations like Google are more powerful than governments. While they are not invulnerable to sanctions, we may lose as much or more than they do if we take drastic action without viable alternatives.
I agree that it's too early, but disagree that it would never be possible. If the EU can successfully move away from Microsoft like they're trying to do now, then I think that will provide an excellent model for moving away from other tech monopolies.
The reality is that they are powerful but if they were to become actice participants in some hypothetical war the governments could freeze and withold funds with the swipe of a pen.
There are a lot of regs around the freedom of funds and stopping that if there is a legitimate national security risk. The US is doing it right now with funds provided from the EU to purchase weapons for Ukraine. The US is not fulfilling orders because they blew their load murdering innocent children in Iran.
This is just looking at the material reality of the problem. I can't effectively threaten someone who I'm heavily dependent on without present alt. Kinda how Trump got slapped when he tried economic coercion on China. If the EU has a domestic alternative to Big Tech's cloud services that's in wide use and easy to scale up, the they can legitimately threaten Big Tech. That said even then that would not be enough given the newly developed dependence on US - LNG. Threaten Big Tech and the US threatens cutting off the gas supply. A gas supply shortage topples governments.
Their power is fragile though. The EU has sanctioned big tech in the past and will do so again. Sure they could screw us over hard but that'd hurt their profits significantly more than complying and as slaves to their shareholders they will not do that.
We shall not bow to tech twinks.
You think Google is going to abandon the EU market over timely releases of their AOSP code and the ability to install apps from outside the playstore?
No, I don't think so. I don't think they would ever abandon the EU market. I was thinking more along the lines of a "malicious compliance" approach, where they would make it more difficult for us to access certain services.
Please note that I am not against fining and fighting Google and other big tech companies. Sorry if my comments make it seem like I am.
This is literally their latest attempt at malicious compliance so you’re not wrong. EU will play ball for sure.
Well, yeah, we're well into the stage where it's not quality that sells Google products and services.
This is the Pillaging Stage of Google's business: as they screw both customers and users (Google's customers aren't their users) for short term "growth" they can only hold market share by taking advantage of market barriers to entry, networking effects and their current market share to force both customers and users to keep on using Google products and services.
I hope every de-googled os goes completely open source supportive. And i hope people choose these os's over google or any other closed source/centralized company
And yet they force people to buy google phones to use their ROM.
At least soon there will be support for Motorola.
I'm sure if other phones met GrapheneOS' security standards, they'd have already ported it to those phones.
Motorola may just be the dam finally breaking on that.
Cannot wait. Hope it has a decent camera.
Also I'd flash that shit myself when it arrives too.
To be honest, I think for the average user most ROMs are more than secure enough. And from a privacy perspective a lot of the de googled ones are very good.
Grapheme has almost a cult following in a way that its all or nothing.
I'd rather give up a bit on security while preserving privacy, if it means my money does not support terrible companies.
Then get a fairphone and load /e/OS or something else like that? GrapheneOS on Pixels aren't the only degoogled option. GrapheneOS makes it clear that their priority is security, so if you're willing to compromise on that then GOS likely isn't for you.
That is exactly what I have. I am not willing to compromise my ethical values and to give money to a truly evil company.
I just find it hypocritical that GOS requires Google made phones and at the same time says its a bad company.
The hardware is hardware, my guy. Most people running desktop linux are using hardware mainly comprised from the work of companies with shitty reputations.
GOS has a set of required specs to ensure the security it's famous for, and the pixel happened to meet them due to their developer-focused design implementations. Luckily, Motorola can now see the economic opportunity of leaning into that as well.
But "give up a bit on security" doesnt preserve privacy that's the whole thing.
Also them being hypocritical for suggesting pixels isn't really true, its the only unlockable device where you can relock the bootloader afterwards which is necessary for the asbolute maximum security of the OS.
Motorola will change this.
I personally don't cut corners when it comes to security and I don't think anyone should honestly.
Graphene user, not part of this cult you speak of. I used to be solid tinfoil hat but now I try to balance between security / privacy and convenience because it was all too exhausting.
Years ago I switched from lineage to Graphene because the Graphene experience was much smoother. Installs, updates, options, it's all just easier. Granted the last install was a pita as funny enough they required chrome for the install. Aside from that it's been so smooth that when my partner kept asking for a new phone, I had them agree on letting me install Graphene. I would have went with fairphone but I can't put something on their phone that I have yet to use. Graphene is solid, stable, and for the most part usable. There's a few minor things out doesn't do like customizations and slight compatibility issues but in relation to what it provides is an acceptable trade off for the time being.
All this to say Graphene has their place for non cult users.
Force is a bit much. They are using an existing set of tools to build their OS.
The duopoly keeps on adding more barriers to new entrants while alleging other reasons. Not surprised.
step 1 - buy Linux phone
step 2 - profit!
Buy linux phone
Try to figure out how to make it work
Where are my apps
Why is the camera shit?
Profit, I can purchase stamps to communicate with those on the other side of techtopia.
Jokes aside the curve is too steep, feature parity lacking and network effects too strong. I would like to but where is the on ramp? Do I have to go back to blurry slow cameras and no face unlock or fingerprint? NFC? Car projection? Can I get a sandboxed whatsapp?
then give up your freedom for the features you are used to, but don't complain later.
But sure I could go back to te stoneage so, are you offering an alternative or not?
Its easy to tell people to value privacy, which I do, but the reality is that to encourage privacy being adopted you need to offer or incentivise its adoption.
It affects you if you dont, your number in my phone is scraped all the same. Your secure emails land in my insecure inbox.
European institutions and apps should be banned from employing reCAPTCHA, Google's Play Integrity API and Apple's App Test API, if this is how they are to function. At the same time, Apple and Google need to be sanctioned for this approach, as I am certain that it violates fair competition laws.
