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I always love to see companies do this with a semi open source product with investors
The code gets closed, a small clump of users split off, make their own version with beet and hookers, and soon the vast majority of the users following because the real open source one is so awesome
That was jellyfin's story, but this is a variation on that and I've seen this story many times now
Bye bye gitlab,rest in pieces
Just like everyone has already done I'd also recommend Codeberg/Forgejo👌
Idiotic. Use codeberg.
Is every mother fucker just going bat shit insane this year? Goddamn it.
For fucks sake... Is Sourcehut ok for private projects?
I have been using sourcehut for mercurial private projects for about half a year without any issues. Also have some a couple of public repos which I develop in Mercurial and then mirror to Codeberg. Only issue I find with sourcehut is that they don't produce files for users to download. So, if someone wanted something from your repo and they don't have git / mercurial they would be unable to get the files.
The only upside I see is their stock has fallen since this announcement. Perhaps the market is finally getting that companies pushing AI isn't a universal good thing?
Ouch. My company was just about to start moving over to GitLab off of Atlassian.
That makes sense, since Gitlab seems to be trying to challenge Atlassian. In who manages to make worse software...
We use atlassian at my job and I hate it
I like that I can read this as you stating you use Atlassian yet hate Gitlab, and the statement still works either way 😅
Still hosting gitlab.
The CI on forgejo is, unfortunately, nowhere near as good.
Given how long gitlab has been struggling to fix basic bugs and instead creeping into features - hello-oo bloated and slow vscode-like web editor and non-ephemeral runner management - I'm not sure they have any staff left to let go. But it's nice they found an excuse to shed their remaining talent and avoid complete stock devaluation.
The planning is happening openly, including a voluntary separation window.
"We don't understand how the Dead Sea Effect works, and we want to super-size the damage.". Okay. Bill.
I don't think that they've used enough buzzwords.
Increased buzzword utilization is part of their go forward strategy that begins implementation in Q3 pending socialization of relevant KPI. obviously.
Synergizing good EQ through the single pane of glass.
- Software will be built by machines, directed by people.
- The agentic era multiplies demand for software. As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
objectively insane.
Governance built into the core.
I still believe that's not possible, but that's only my opinion.
As the cost of producing software collapses, demand for it will expand.
This part actually makes sense. Plenty of software doesn't get written because it's just easier or cheaper to do without it. It's why BPM tools exist. Simplify the coding process and you can solve problems more cheaply.
I also think this will kill BPM tools. Why use BPM tooling when creating a real app is just as easy and more customizable?
I see that requires some more explaining my thinking:
There is only demand and supply.
Previously, we had "high demand" and "limited supply" which is what lead to software dev roles being a very well paid job in silicon valley and some other places.
Now, the promise of AI, making software by itself or increasing productivity, if true, mean that supply increases. That makes software cheaper. Theoretically.
But that's the supply side.
What you're talking about is also a "I have so much supply, I can now afford to do projects and software I could not do before, because my time, budget, etc. was limited." But you already had the idea and the "demand" however low priority, already existed.
What isn't happening, is that some company sits down and suddenly decides that they need more software than they thought they needed. Even the bit that is "replacing real humans" is replacing humans. It's meeting a demand that was already there in a new way.
Using a metaphor / example, we currently, as humanity, manage to feed ourselves. Or let's pretend that we do and nobody is starving. Someone claiming that "the demand for food is going to go up" is talking nonsense. They can say that demand for "cheese" or "meat" or "potatoes" will go up. But not food, because that market is already saturated. Because we're not starving.
Yes, the fact that the demand is there and that the supply gets cheaper will mean that more software will be produced.
But not because of increased demand. AI doesn't create it's own demand.
...at least that's my thought process and why I wrote what I wrote in the original comment.
They once were a promising alternative to MS GitHub but now they’re going down the same route.
This is why we built and released the Duo Agent Platform in January. Our first quarter adoption is promising, and we're ready to accelerate.
This is so weird. They gave a Duo presentation at our company and I was a bit second hand embarrassed because it's just bad.
Anyway, the stock price will probably go up after this announcement...
My work started a trial of Duo and it actually was rather helpful. I liked it better than other teams just copy pasting output from gitlab to claude or something. Integrated well and had the option to hide all of it if you didn't want any of it.
Interesting. This copy/paste approach was pretty much what they suggested we use. Either that or letting the agent do it's thing completely on its own.
We use GitHub copilot now. And compared to that, Duo is lacking lot.
Stock went down though
Damn
Oh god that is so cringe. Just getting into coding i have no idea what to use as an online repo. I dont want to use github because microsoft but i want the basic repo collaboration features to be available cloning, pull requests, issues etc.
Codeberg for hosted, Forgejo for selfhosted.
They are great.
If you don't want to host something yourself, check codeberg
I like codeberg and have no plans on migrating away from it, but their codeberg Pages product is...weak to say the least. There's very frequent downtime. I had multiple users reach out to me letting me know my site was down... embarrassing. I set up kuma uptime checks on it, and now I see when the outages happen.
Forget "four 9's" or anything close to that....my 30 day uptime is a measley 91%...
Github seems to be down a lot, too, although perhaps not their pages part. Perhaps you could try to have just the pages in some other place?
They communicate that openly tho:
Regular maintenance window: We're meeting every Tuesday starting 18.00 Berlin time (currently 17.00 UTC), lasting up to 8 hours. While we announce large scheduled downtimes in advance, there might be minor interruptions due to maintenance work happening during the meeting. Please be patient in this case.
https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg
Not sure if that's also for the Pages feature, but in general having a weekly 8hr maintenance window is not optimal.
Thats rough. Check out https://grebedoc.dev/ I believe codeberg itself also wants to migrate to that as well, I cant tell you how reliable it is though (I am using hetzner managed for 1.90€/m) is but I dig its simplicity.
Ok what are we going to call them now? Gitslop? Sloplab?
Forget they exist and don’t call them anything.
This reads almost like a parody.
The only large mainstream competitor, which would probably benefit from github's troubles: "We saw github breaking itself regularly because of it's own slop coding AND flooded with trash vibe coded projects and thought - that's where we wanna be!"