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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 3 hours ago

They should add much more AI. Why? Cause it's really funny to watch from the outside as a Linux user.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

ah, today will be a good day lads

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Are you really being "left behind" when everyone else is going the wrong way?

I'm really baffled because this is super easy to fix.

Step 1. Pull all the AI bloat out of Windows 11. Make a clean, compatible, and user friendly OS out of the Windows brand.

Step 2. Spin CoPilot into it's own OS. Go crazy with your "Every app is just a different AI presentation of your data." Make the AI in there all powerful. Allow users to remote to the OS and run the same AI regardless of the platform.

Step 3. Print money

[–] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

The problem isnt co pilot. Its co pilot being rammed in incredibly stupid ways into every possible product.

More importantly, its cramming it in everywhere when basis windows 11 sucks. Explorer sucks, search sucks, performance sucks, Updates suck.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 27 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Wave? This is like being sad you did not get in on the housing crisis, or the dot com bubble, or any other clearly labeled landmine.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I know right. They dodged the AI bullet would be a more accurate headline.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Did they though? Don't they control Open AI to the point where they could force Open AI to keep Sam Altman as CEO?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I have no idea, just talking about an alternative title "Missed the wave". I care very little about Microsoft these days. 😅 I only use a fraction of their products for work because I'm forced to. (Authenticator, Outlook, Azure, basically.)

[–] cinoreus@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think they dodged it

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Prolly not eh

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 hours ago

scales back?

I just got an update that puts a persistent copilot overlay in the corner of Excel, blocking my cells. and the same update seems to have added a context menu that shows up on left click on a squiggle word in Word, which again blocks my document unnecessarily. I use neither of these pictures. I want neither of these features. I want to use the fucking program to do my goddamn work

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 67 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If Microsoft wasn't run by tools, they'd see the gap Google and Apple have left behind by locking down their eco systems.

They could be the hero we need by saying we'll make the software and you fully own your device like pc / windows.

But of course they won't, and will just shoot themselves in the dick.

Just like when they ditched explorer we were all like yaay! Then instead of attaching to Firefox they just became another chromium cuck.

Why would anyone take your shitty browser that's just a skin of chrome...

Again, they had the chance to take the pro customer lane and succeed, but they were too inept.

[–] Footer1998@crazypeople.online 13 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

It isn't just ineptitude. Of course executives at Microsoft know that they could be good and be successful with consumers. But they don't need to please consumers, they have far more important customers: the surveillance state, and the military industrial complex.

Once corporations have a near-monopoly position, they do not need to make good products anymore. Microsoft has enough money already to completely fail at everything for centuries and they'd be just fine. So they can focus on other goals, such as dismantling online anonymity for the benefit of the ruling class, who owns and controls Microsoft.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

they have far more important customers: the surveillance state,

Except Microsoft is also losing the whole EU market because of Trump

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 48 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

You didn’t miss the “mobile wave”. You purposely gave up. Idiots.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

They freaking gave up on anything quickly if they are not immediately the leader in the market.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They tried; it must've been 4 times. But unless it's a sure thing, they'll give up.

I worry they don't know how to compete on a level ground, slowly building trust and business on success after success.

[–] Nugscree@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It also didn't help that they did a complete rebuild of Windows Phone OS 3 times, making old apps incompatible and forcing the very little support of app developers to get alienated from the platform. Why would you completely rebuild your app 3 times for a super low market share product.

[–] sunnie@slrpnk.net 42 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

True. As much as I hate to admit it, the Windows phones were actually pretty good.

Had they not botched app adoption and then immediately given up, they could have done fairly well.

[–] agentTeiko@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago

Agreed I have been a Linux Stan since the 90s and even I thought windows phone was pretty good.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

That's the nokia hardware they installed win mobile on?

I was looking forward to a good nokia candybar phone, but gave up when they were bought and the hardware went under a win OS.

[–] Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The windows phones were fucking magical

[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago

Satya may have grown the company share price but he's absolutely killed everything that made Microslop even remotely interesting before he became CEO.

[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 151 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

It's a wave of sewage, few users want to ride it in the first place

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

sewage that they caused , to backup. by backing OPENAI, ORACLE and nvidia. now they are desperate to get governments to fund thier ponzi scheme.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 20 points 13 hours ago

it's a tsunami. uncontrollable, started far away from any normal humans, sweeps up everyone in its wake, and will cause massive damage when it inevitably crashes into a place with lots of people.

[–] Doug@piefed.social 29 points 14 hours ago (8 children)

It’s like they created a very good phone tree and are trying to shove it into everything that never had or needed a phone tree in the first place.

[–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The fuck is a phone tree? Pardon my language, sir.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 44 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

"for financial services, press one. for technical support, press two. for goblins, press three. for repairs, press four."

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago
[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 33 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I TOLD YOU NOT TO TALK ABOUT GOBLINS

[–] lime@feddit.nu 18 points 13 hours ago

you're absolutely right! substituting pigeons.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You forgot the mandatory lead message. "Please listen closely as our menu options have changed." No, they haven't. Ever.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 3 points 6 hours ago

Also the standard "outdated message you have to listen to twice in entirety despite it not applying to you," like "Please note, starting June 1, 2021 as a result of the Covid 19 Virus we will be starting social practicing guidelines in our offices" and they repeat a number twice for curbside that hasn't existed in half a decade.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 56 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

They didn't miss the "wave", they discovered it's just hype and a bubble. They spent a fortune and damaged their core products to try and get in on AI, and have realised it was fools gold that their actual paying customers don't want. This really sums the problem up well:

According to Velloso, less than 3% of paying users actively use Copilot, even though Microsoft has pre-deployed it directly into the Windows 11 taskbar and across the Office suite.

Out of Microsoft’s 450 million Microsoft 365 user base, the company has only managed to convert roughly 15 million paid Copilot seats. This means a staggering 96.7% of users are rejecting the premium AI features, yielding just a 3.3% paid adoption rate. When viewed against Microsoft’s estimated $37.5 billion quarterly AI spending, this is an alarmingly low adoption rate.

I'm sure I'm like many people - I tried Copilot a couple of times; it's ok to make an email or even document text a bit more concise, but that's really it. I don't find it useful; I do all the actual work and then occasionally get an AI to help make it a bit easier to read very similar to a spell check and grammar check. It's not good enough to do anything else; it bullshits and is error ridden and like all the AI I've tried it's really plateaued. I just really don't see where the value in that $37.5bn spent by Microsoft is.

I certainly wouldn't pay for copilot myself. Instead I object to it being rammed down my throat at work, and Windows 11 just being generally awful but not improved. Microsoft are finally making the right noises but the damage is already done.

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[–] egrets@lemmy.world 32 points 12 hours ago

The article touches on a bunch of valid points, but re the headline, I don't really think that a failure to generate excitement about AI integration into Windows 11 is because they missed the boat. It's because they're shoehorning it into places it doesn't belong.

They have the ability to make it useful. Ethical concerns aside, GitHub Copilot is as good as any AI development assistant, and better than most. Hopes that they'd gain ground with Bing would have needed them to be way ahead of the curve (and for AI search result summaries to be more useful than the top results, which they rarely are).

But for Copilot to be useful in the desktop environment, it needs to be there quietly in the places it's needed. Improve your help tools, make Grammarly irrelevant, infer document context to make search better. Don't rename half of your products "Copilot", don't put flashy buttons in every app, just use the benefits of applied AI to improve your products.

Oh, and make it optional, for fuck's sake. If I don't feel like I have control over my OS any more, I'm not likely to stick around when other options are available.

[–] terabyterex@lemmy.world 45 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

this is a decent read. theres honest criticism and not a "m$ sux lol" rant. a someone who can agnostically enjpy tech history, i would like to see how this plays out.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 21 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Yeah good read. I don’t agree that Microsoft isn’t dying though. They are, because people and companies alike are tired of other corporations throwing them under the bus. So many people are realizing that the companies don’t want what they want, and it kills their business or happiness.

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[–] gratux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They also probably realized providing free Copilot in Windows would get very expensive quickly, and that not enough users would pay for it.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Basically yeah

Out of Microsoft’s 450 million Microsoft 365 user base, the company has only managed to convert roughly 15 million paid Copilot seats. This means a staggering 96.7% of users are rejecting the premium AI features, yielding just a 3.3% paid adoption rate. When viewed against Microsoft’s estimated $37.5 billion quarterly AI spending, this is an alarmingly low adoption rate.

They're spending billions to get millions.

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[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 24 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

First off, copilot is just ChatGPT.

Second off, their implantation of ChatGPT is so bad it actually makes the original look good. And that is a damn low bar to reach for and miss.

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 19 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

What wave? None of it fucking works...

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