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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The arc of technology progress since the crash in the early 2000s has been pump and dump scams perpetrated on the entire market.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

'At some point you've got to make money'

Hey hey hey, now, that's loser talk. Here, c'mon, let's snort a ton of coke.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That sounds like something The Wolf of Wall Street would say

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

A lot of people working in finance were not alive when that movie was taking place and like the movie Wall Street the ones who watched it learned all the wrong lessons.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

I'm not much of an AI skeptic compared to most on Lemmy. I think the technology is incredibly useful and probably beneficial to society if we can remove the control of the ruling class.

That said I truly don't understand how the AI business model is supposed to work. I'm sure there is some market for businesses, governments, etc., basically people who have too much money who may want to pay for the latest and greatest models.

But I don't really see the average consumer doing this when slightly less good versions will almost certainly be available for free. And the above customers will not be able to support the level of investment that's going on right now.

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

This isn’t directed at you specifically, but just the broad sentiment that people are coming now OK with AI even though people kinda I guess forgot that like AI stole and ripped all of our information books. Music works of art all of it’s stolen ya know. But I’ll digress it doesn’t matter anymore.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 24 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

technology is incredibly useful and probably beneficial to society

For what? It's not reliable enough to actually automate anything and people that use it regularly inevitably stop checking the output and start falling victim to hallucinations. It's pretty good at rifling through social media posts which I don't think is good for society and it's OK as a frontline support system but even that they normally go too far and just make it infuriating

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I automate plenty with it, no you cant be an idiot about it but i can do what used to take me weeks in hours with it.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I think Lenny’s generic take is heavily colored by the absolute morons using it moronically. That’s a large number of people because lots of people are…well, morons. But you can definitely use it in productive ways. Keeping a human in the loop right now I think is very prudent, for cost and reliability reasons, but man does it decrease drudgery in capable hands.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It doesn't need to fully automate anything to make people more productive. And I think there's ample evidence it can greatly increase productivity in some fields. We're in the bumpy phase of finding out how much human supervision is needed in each field so you're bound to hear about ways it has been misused but everyone I've talked to who uses it professionally thinks it helps them get a lot more done than without it.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 5 points 1 hour ago

I don't believe that for a second. Everyone I know that talks about being more productive is just pushing extra work onto more responsible people by making output that looks like work but isn't sufficient.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's not reliable enough to actually automate anything

This is half true. It's not reliable enough to automate an entire job but it is reliable enough to automate tasks that would otherwise take a lot of time, usually related to sifting or searching data.

If I need to look through a massive set of data like Google for something thst I can only describe with an explanation, the LLM will do a much faster job actually finding what you need rather thsn spending an hour manually sorting through SEO slop.

You don't even need the cloud models for this, you can slap SearXNG onto a local model at home.

It's basically just an autocomplete search on steroids which is its biggest advantage. Any documentation you need is immediately accessible, which is especially useful if you have zero experience with something niche or new.

Now actually getting the LLM to consistently generate output is a completely different story lol.

We call that vibe coding.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 50 minutes ago

If I need to look through a massive set of data like Google for something thst I can only describe with an explanation, the LLM will do a much faster job actually finding what you need rather thsn spending an hour manually sorting through SEO slop.

You could also use any other search engine since Google intentionally wrecked their search, and use the adblock list that filters out the seo slop. Just as efficient and less glacier melting

[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How is the technology useful?

For the love of Asimov, someone please explain.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

It is useful for programming, I know a lot of people here don't want to hear that, but denying it now is being willfully ignorant. No it isn't good enough that you can tell it "just go do the thing" and then accept what it gives you without checking it, but using it as a tool as a professional can very much improve your work and how quickly you do things.

For me recently I used it to unpick a nasty race condition that was occasionally causing a program I was working on to lock up and couldn't figure out why. It took some back and forth with it but it did help me figure it out when before I had been stumped.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Everyone I work with that uses it is worse at their job than before they started using it, and I've lost the ability to teach them how to actually do good work because telling the c-suite they're 10x now (even though they're producing only slightly more code and more issues) makes the c-suite happy. I could believe that some people have made small improvements to their workflows but its obvious to anyone competent that it's not as big as an improvement as they'd have you believe and the vast majority is just people getting addicted to the slot machine, deskilling, and creating inferior output.

[–] msage@programming.dev 9 points 2 hours ago

I do work in software, and my main focus is on code review, as we work with money, and things have happened due to many factors.

I DO NOT want any more work being done. Fuck that. It's hard reviewing 'normal' amount of code, multiplying it will backfire horrendously.

I do not need people not being able to figure out their bugs. It's the most important part of the job, and not being able to fix it quickly costs us a lot.

If you need to fix something in a library you don't understand... maybe you should review it before using? There are situations when it's not possible, usually in low risk fields, frontends and such, but even then, we (IT in general) produce so much shit for no real gain. And we need LESS of it, not more.

[–] browned_bear@programming.dev 6 points 2 hours ago

it’s not useful for programming and it makes code more verbose, poorly structured, and requires too many attempts to get a mildly useful block.

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The business model should be that with economies of scale they could provide compute much cheaper than average consumer can buy to run locally. So yeah, that means they gotta be able to support these $20/mo plans indefinitely.

If they jack up the prices i can just buy a 128gb ryzen ai machine for the price of $200/mo claude for a year. I supposed there's some room there --they could charge $50/mo and it still makes sense.

but even at $100/mo i can buy a machine to run it at home do a 24 month payment plan and come out ahead.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I'm not an expert but my understanding is most of the computation is in the training. The actual queries are not too difficult to manage. So I think that's what makes it more difficult to monetize because you're trying to position yourself as a digital gatekeeper for work that has already been done. Yes, some industries have survived in this position but it limits the amount of profit you can make because there are always ways to copy someone else's homework. So if prices are too high people will opt out because they have other options even if they're slightly less quality or convenience.

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't understand why AI is going to be akin to a failed industrial revolution, maybe give this scenario a read. Here a think tank has written a forcast on how AI will potentially unfold and influence the global future.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Is that a forecast or fanfic?

I want to see everyone hop on the IPOs and ride them all the way down to the floor!

Fuck AI

[–] Hond@piefed.social 25 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Probably the least controversial take on the threadiverse but i stumpled upon Ed Zitrons Blog like maybe two years ago. I've read a few posts of him since then and i just watch the shitshow unfold tbh. Its not that i 100% believe in his predictions. But he has made his point. I'm just an average fuck. I dont know shit. But it was so far the most believable and backed up assessment of the current AI situation.

I make barely enough money to afford my rent in bumfuck europe. How the fuck am i more informed about AI then some CEO? WTF.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 37 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
  • replacing human workers is their fondest dream so they want to believe so hard
  • they have FOMO "everyone else is doing it and I don't want to lose out"
  • everyone else is doing it and if they didn't do it and were wrong, it would be worse for their reputation than following the pack and being wrong
  • c suite types talk to each other and they've formed an echo chamber

In summary, CEOs (of large public companies anyway - your mom and pop plumber could also be a CEO) are not smarter than the average person. Just more amoral and having the connections to be CEOs

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

The last 2 bullets are so damn true. And trying to argue that is just pointless. So I’ve shifted to the money part of it and have asked “how are you preparing for the bubble to burst?” and back it up with that data.

It's not that you're more informed. It's simply that you have to worry about consequences of mismanaging money where a CEO... well, hasn't.

[–] joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Tell me about it lol. I've got to.