Excrubulent

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 months ago

I honestly disagree. The things you're asking for contain meaning. They require an ability to grasp arbitrary levels of context. There is no way to grasp that level of context without encountering yourself within that broader context and becoming self-aware.

At that point, you might have a system that can do the things you're describing, but it would be a person. That's not really automation as much as it is birthing a brand new kind of intelligence, and it may not consent to being your servant, and it would not only be wrong to try to force it, it would be extremely dangerous.

I think for that reason there is a hard limit on automation. Some tasks are the exclusive domain of personhood, not automata.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's actually kind of genius. It's even made of lead!

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

A lot of people in this thread knee-jerk hating on the nails don't realise that it's just culturally-entrenched misogyny. More people need a "Don't be an asshat because not everybody is like you" guard rail.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are people that do it tastefully and people that are creative and interesting. If they can't be interesting and descriptive to some extent then they're probably not people I want to engage with.

And honestly, the titles were so bland they were almost snarky, and I never felt they were justified for the creators I watch. They were so laconic they were often barely informative anyway, because the flavour was gone. I think that's because the people who have a good sense for editorialising aren't going around writing aggressively literal titles all the time. The dearrow ecosystem is subject to algorithmic selection too, and it selects for boring.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

Oh cool, I might give it another look.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah, it's possible that wasn't an option back when I used it. I remember thinking that some sort of default off would be better. At the time I think it was either on by default and toggleable - I always toggled it - or it was just disabled and unwieldy to enable.

Edit: actually even better would be to have a short community written summary that could be more descriptive. Just like a popup or something. I don't need the title to disappear, just know if the video is worth my time.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's weird, like the whole point of saying "it's not because of corporate greed" is to rehabilitate their image and not look like soulless ghouls, so then he chases it up with something that makes him sound like a soulless ghoul.

Money and power really do make people stupid.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The problem I have with dearrow is that it's editorialising and arbitrary. It's not like removing ads which can be clearly identified and the user can make personal decisions, like no sponsors but self-promo is fine, or whatever.

No, there is one alternative title and one alternative thumbnail, and that's it, and often I have serious disagreements with the choices the community makes. There's a bias towards intervention, so if a title is fine according to me but someone else doesn't like it, then it gets changed. I found most of my votes were to restore the original title and thumb. Eventually I got tired of it and just uninstalled, and presumably so did other people with the same feeling, so the community continues to skew towards changing every video they encounter.

Also, the thumbnails and titles that creators choose tells me a lot about them, and I get rid of clickbait by not engaging with creators that do clickbait. Also, sometimes it's not clickbait, just people being creative. It seems like the whole thing is just an exercise in being the fun police by people that don't understand the creative process.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

Where? Is this paradise oasis of helpfulness on the internet? Or is it offline somewhere?

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Ah dang, well, thanks anyway.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unironically I think it must happen to some extent, and that doesn't mean every toxic person is an op. It wouldn't take a lot of manpower to create a toxic environment. Just hassle the devs with annoying questions, suggestions and bad "contributions" until they're sick of everyone's shit and start to become toxic themselves. If they're dealing with all the noise of bad actors, they get overzealous in moderating it, and it's hard to tell the difference between a troll who's trying to waste your time, and an honest newbie who doesn't know what questions to ask or what information to share, so they all get blasted to some extent, and the devs lose any interest in catering to the newbies.

Edit: actually I remember asking a question on stackoverflow about PuTTY one time, it was answered and I moved on with my life. Then five fucking years later some dickhead shows up in the comments and says, "aw... putty... windows..." So I'm like, "Listen, I don't care if you think I'm sad for using windows, I don't use linux because it's too much work" Then they start lecturing me about how linux is for experts and if I don't know what I'm doing it's not for me, and I'm like "Ok? Then leave me alone. This question is five years old, why are you here? Just to hassle a rando because they use windows?" Then a mod bumped the comments into a private chat and off the question page, then this person starts offering to "help" me learn Linux. I told them if I wanted help they'd be the last person I would ask, then blocked them, but the bad taste of that interaction has stayed with me for a long time and I think about it a lot whenever I want to put effort into switching myself over. Was that an op? Being a troll is easy, and it would've been maybe 20 minutes of work for whoever was doing it. Like, maybe that was just some kid who thought they were helping further the linux cause by going around windows-shaming people, but maybe not.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wait wait wait... where do you get these? That sounds amazing lol.

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