PenguinTD

sorry, no, I am simply asking those parents to just play with their kids and teach them what is good and what is bad, like old times. If you like to bubble wrap your kids that's fine, eventually they will come to the real world and with way less protection and less people to guide them. You are talking like these type of thing does not require training at all? You pass age of 18 or 20 and now you are suddenly immune to bad sales tricks?

My younger age a period of my allowance dump was in the arcades, eventually I found that it does absolutely not justify the money I put in. I'd rather save those and buy a mecha or whatever other toys that are fun and can be played in many different ways, instead of a couple hours of "let me beat this game". Because, money is very limited and I obviously aren't raised by a arcade owner. That's my learning experience, I am still glad that even with very limited allowance, I get to experience that and learn early on. Cause "well, you just spend your allowance on arcade game, you should save some money for the ice cream," while me watching my younger sibling eating their ice cream. Every little bit of experience goes a long way.

And yes, there are a portion that are more vulnerable then others simply they lack the brain circuit or wiring to stop that feedback loop, and catching them early is better than catching it late.

It's quite different though.

PSN:

• you get access to the "claimed" monthly free games as long as you have subscription
• you can't download or keep playing the "claimed" games if your subscription expired.
• those claimed game will shown as "in library" and can't be purchased even if there is a on-going sale.
• if you paid for a plus member extra bonus discount game, it's still yours if your sub expired.

Epic:

• you can download the game and keep them somewhere, as long as the auth token can verify you own the game and not expired. (similar to Steam I think the token is valid for a week if your internet goes out. it will ask you to go into offline mode as well. )
• this works for both free game they gave out and the one you paid for with money.

I don't know how the higher tier of PSN and GamePass works regarding the access of game you "played".

No, PSN once you claim a "free" game you can't buy them even if they are on sale. You have to cancel sub, wait until sale, buy the game.

just change if you have said mod.

A person said something does not mean it's "facts", I am actually asking you to show me "the" facts, which you dodge and refused. Does that mean you just claim something baseless as facts? That falls under the category of misinformation.

A literal government entity found enough evidence

Well, let's stop right here, I am gonna assume I missed something, would you care enough and point me to an article that have links to such "evidence"? You are making a claim again that I didn't read anywhere, potentially missed or forgotten. Or are you suggesting that there must be some evidence to back this decision, without actually know if it exist or not? Does that mean the banning of abortion also have some "evidence" to support it? As they must be passed by a government entity.

AND, back to the topic, did you even read the links I provided? It literally says they will reconsider the terms and seek public comments, from a authoritarian government making a billions blunder announcement. They have did this so many times and back paddles because of the damage it did in the past as well. So are you saying they are caving because of billionaire pressure? Of all people but Xi? Dang, wouldn't that be hilarious? A communist dictator with science backed evidence caved under capitalist demands? WOW, look at that, such a lose of face and I hope the institute that suggest such idea and allow the announcement still exists next year.

Sorry I am enjoying this good laugh a bit much.

I care enough to keep wasting my time typing back, even though I know you don't have the integrity to find such article/publication to back you claims.

well, look at that simple finger pointing argument tech. As an adult you can do better.

Let me copy something I typed a bit earlier to a different guy that copied almost the same strat you use but less cursing. "Abuse means you are in a position where the victim can’t or don’t know how to say no to your malpractice." Let's see what my kid currently can ask me to stop:

• humming, whistling, that make noise he caused since his youtube video stuck in my head
• get one vegetable out of his plate and replace with a different kind he can take.
• if he had enough tickling quota and asked me to stop any time.
• right I forgot you don't care about my kid, maybe I should also stop here.

Any person without the addiction trait can just stop, the time it takes to get there varied by which part of distribution you fall on. As gamer we simply do so because:

• there are newer better ones out there
• you burned out grinding or simply tired of that price gouging shit throwing at you, you learn to identify those sales pitch and not get involved next time
• you run out of money? you are in therapy? regain your self control after properly follow instruction to separate out access to available fund by a trusted 3rd party?
• you simply don't like the game loop, that's what happened to me with MMO boom, I tried a couple and none of them attracted me.

Disclaimer: I probably have really high tolerance because of Monster Hunter, the OG rng drop action rpg where you hunt the same monster for 3 chances of 1% drop per hunt. My understanding of probability and other game mechanics to keep you there really thanks to this game. Where you burn time instead of money.

Gacha game itself is not an abusive practice, we have establish that cause the widely available statistics from many other existing industries(gacha eggs, trading cards, lottery, etc) I've mentioned before. If you don't like the game you simply stop playing. If you liked the game so much and can not stop playing, you might need to seek therapy as you fall under that group in distribution as "highly susceptible". And if you are a addict victim yourself, hating/banning all those that traps people like you does not solve the fundamental issues, including cursing and painting a internet stranger as some type of "enabler" or putting your words in my mouth, I am not going to repeat those.

I did not say it has to be free game for that to happen, but because free game relies on mtx and other mechanics to survive so they must have something else in game to get revenue. Actually, even free games are going away from that practice cause most people learn. Sharing knowledge is a great thing, people break down how much money you need to spend to get something or how many hours you need to grind in Diablo 4 for stuff pretty much less than one month after launch. They helped so many people before they fall into that "grinding pit". Any seasoned player will look for those before they even dip their hands in a game because of sunken cost fallacy, "I need to keep playing cause I invest so much time/money in this game already", instead of focus on "does playing the game is still fun?"

This is not coming to everything, let me show you a couple top selling game in last stretch of 2023(after Sep):

• Baldur's Gate
• Starfield
• Cyberpunk(the DLC update and bundle)
• Alan Wake II
• Spiderman II
• Super Mario Bros. Wonder

The games that receives really well but I don't have sales data:

• Robocop
• Lie of P, Lords of fallen (Souls like)
• The Talos Principle 2
• Avatar

What about other games that aren't even on my radar? Well, I don't care.

Like I mentioned, you do your thing, push for regulation, do your best and I'd hate to tell you that it doesn't work if you put that energy toward me instead of, say, running for legislation rep. As an adult you should know about this by now, I hope you learn and improve and push for your ideal society. Just like I learn a couple new words from your post even though it's just useless efforts to try get me upset about something baseless.

Such poor display of integrity eh? Who has the burden to show stuff backing their claims? Right, the person that make the claims.

China does China shit to make Xi look nice and cause a stock market dip and then "might" loosen up the regulation. Unlike you, I include source:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-regulator-earnestly-study-public-concerns-over-draft-video-gaming-rules-2023-12-23/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/23/china-considers-revising-gaming-rules-after-tech-giants-lose-billions

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-25/china-is-softening-stance-on-gaming-after-80-billion-rout

It's the same strategy politicians used here, it's the same type of thought process to trigger down vote without using brain cell to process we see here: "Think of the children, XXXX is bad."

Yes, I did, long before this news articles, before I even have kids. As neuroscience is part of my core interests. I don't religiously read or follow publications, not in that industry, but those related that posted on reddit or show up in my science curated youtube feed(which recently gone to shit because of generative contents) I just like to check and read about them. I saw nothing like you guys claimed. You have to show me otherwise to back up your claim. Or change topic like others and say this is abuse.

Yes, there is, it's called knowledge and understand the mechanics. Remember the experiment that nice well people can just "follow the order" and torture their subject? If you are not aware, you may learn something new today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Oh, and abuse means you are in a position where the victim can't or don't know how to say no to your malpractice. My kid tells me to stop humming all the time cause his youtube music stuck in my head and I have obliged every time he said so, you know, trust building from young that he can refuse and stop things he doesn't like.

Do you know what's a distribution? There are no system in the world a fucking psychology Richard Feynman equivalent can pull to make everyone that touched it become an lootbox addict. (or whatever addict you'd like to call it. )

It's not a melt down because it's so hilariously bad I offer a challenge to let you show me "any" reputable publication that stats what you claimed with certain co-relation. In these categories:

• open lootbox specifically designed to get you addict == micro dosing your kid with hard drugs
• open how many lootbox when a person has that addiction trait will then become untreatable
• any study that states opening lootbox with person that have addiction trait works exactly the same way to form the behavior feedback loop as hard drug addicts. (note: NOT how the brain respond to the stimuli "after" they become addicts. We have many hard drug user celebs examples that do not become addicts in Hollywood and Music industry. )

And, can I guess before hand? You have none of relevant qualification to make those claims, right? If this is r/science and I am wrong I will be slapped with pages worth of links by now. Go ahead, try educate this fellow stupid old man.

It's hard to argue with people thinking that giving a kid heroin is equal to let them open a gacha egg or lootbox and how they respond to the results. I don't know how you can make that connection and I'd like to see a reputable peer reviewed study where even expose once or a couple times lootbox and then they become untreatable gambling addicts. Show me anything and I will make personal call to the research institute asking questions and donate them, hosting a website and then spread it like gospel. You can't because that's not how gambling addiction works.

You are forming this "XXX = evil" argument and tag it's like feeding heroin to your kid. But provides nothing or alternative to help parents to catch those traits early. The same take away your entire pay check works for pretty many other things that are currently exists, like option trading, you wanna ban those too?

Lastly, you are also wrong about how the game industry works today. The whale hunters are moving to expensive skins in limited timed pass/event purchases to fomo their whale targets, the lootbox bussiness is shrinking even after the kompu gacha ban in Japan. People can sue and get (maybe not full) their money back, a couple case in Japan, EU, US and even Canada already.(most recent notable is the Epic lootbox/vbuck settlement case.)

The AAAs there are more games that recently come out without "any" mtx except digital deluxe and pre-order bonus, and they make banks compare to those in the F2P space. Which universe you lived in that all games become F2P and you are forced to play those and have to become addict to them? Check both out:

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2022

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2023

Notice any difference? There are less F2P titles in top platinum 1st~12th in 2023 than 2022, where is your version of F2P doomsday coming from?

And I hope your ban-this ban-that universe is so perfect that no one can scam, everyone is nice law abiding saints that work for free and help everyone in need. No no need to learn financial literacy and responsible spending behavior and you just need to hook this thing up before you sleep and your life will be perfect.

Come on, I am still waiting for your study that shows some miracle level of addiction triggering lootbox mechanics.

Who said I want to get child to have gambling addiction?

Do you know not everyone expose to gambling will become addict?

Do you even know how that type of addiction works?

Do you even read and see if I find out early that if my child has that trait we can identify that from these early behaviors? (like blowing all the allowance and can not stop themselves and tries to stole CC/lie etc to just get another box open.)

Are you the type of person thinking not exposing this one thing will prevent you from other types of addiction or exploits?

Compare to hard drug that chemically changes and damage the brain and slower process where brain chemical that works themselves because of the reward stimulation is entirely different for those gambling addict prone is totally different. You are talking about the brain "response" to the stimuli, not the cause and how they form that feedback loops.

Not everyone is going to become gambling addict by opening a few loot box, or buy cosmetics. The fact that I can participate and observe how they work with "not getting what they wanted" if they get a gacha egg at mall or lootbox in a game is very cost efficient tool, Heck, you don't even need actual currency like mall gacha eggs, plenty of mobile game gives you virtual currency to do the virtual gachas or funnel you to do more of those until you are hooked.(see Pokemom Go)

And, I do not mind restriction and even encourage that there should be laws around those chance based things for both adult and minors. Because we do need those to help those that are prone and can become addict to have something that help them identify that and help them toward therapy. Virtual game gacha/lootbox is probably the lowest cost compare to any other real life addiction for detecting those personal traits.

Last and one more time, catch it early while they have full trust in me and work with therapy is going to cost 100x less then wall them up until they are 18 and then send them to the wild on their own. What kind of sick person trying to get their own kid become an addict? Which part of my post says I want to get my kids addict? What study supports your claim that if a child expose to lootbox and then they become untreatable when you identify the trait?

Do you realize that gacha eggs/capsules exists for more than 50 years? How many gacha eggs addicts you see everyday or in the study? Like I saw those when I am so small and my grandma's place still burn wood to heat water and cooking.

Show me any other more cost efficient way to trigger and identify that personality trait compare to a virtual game.