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[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

Nearly all social media is full of ~~eco~~ echo chambers.. I still post and follow stuff on several of the platforms. There is very little nuanced conversation.. Seems like it is more and more just an up vote or downvote storm, or people claiming one thing or another without any supporting evidence.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

Happy to see the word “nuance” being used… wish there was more of that too. This whole binary with-me / against-me mentality will bring us all crashing down.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

And that makes me genuinely sad. When I joined Lemmy, I was a little put off by the leftist bent here, but then I realized that I appreciated being challenged on my views, especially since people here are generally nice about it.

I wish I could find something like that for conservatives as well. Better yet, I wish there was a place like Reddit or Lemmy where all views were respected, provided claims are supported with evidence. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be compatible with the world we live in, and that makes me sad.

[–] AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like there aren't many centrist communities where you can have nuanced discussions.

I honestly don't care about centrism, I care about diversity of ideas with citations for claims. If a left wing or right wing policy is the best for a given situation, I'd love to discuss it.

But failing that, I'll take centrist over either political extreme any day of the week.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You can probably post on 7.62x54r.ru. Reddit had a decent number of anti-establishment leftists who would join up with conservatives on shared issues. I haven't seen any spaces like that on Lemmy.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah, and that's something I missed about Reddit. I found a few good communities of centrists, open minded leftists, and open minded conservatives, so I could generally join a pretty good discussion. I still needed to watch what I said, because there were some things even open minded people wouldn't consider given their political bias, but a lot of things were fair game.

For example, I could bring up Right to Repair to both groups, and I'd get different reasons for and against it from each group.

Here on Lemmy, I don't get that diversity, either something is compatible with the group's general leftist persuasion, or I get downvoted into oblivion. And that sucks, because I put in a lot of effort to be constructive and challenge the status quo. Fortunately, I usually know before making a statement which way it'll go, and there are no downsides (aside from worse engagement) to getting down votes, so I know what to expect. It does make me sad though.

I'll check out that community though. Not sure what to expect from a .ru domain though as an American...

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Eco chambers sound like a good thing.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 0 points 8 hours ago

Absolutely not. If for no other reason then you lose the ability to actually argue for your ideas if you're in an echo chamber.