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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 79 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

When will Westerners realize that the common characture of the brainwashed, thought controlled, information controlled, constantly surveiled citizen that we attribute to China/The USSR/etc... IS US?! You clutch your pearls at people in other countries potentially being treated like that but are inclined to do nothing about OUR OWN countries treating US like that.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 64 points 3 months ago

A Russian is on an airliner heading to the US, and the American in the seat next to him asks, “So what brings you to the US?” The Russian replies, “I’m studying the American approach to propaganda.” The American says, “What propaganda?” The Russian says, “That’s what I mean.”

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Snowden showed they realized but didn't care

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

and the epstien files have shown us how little americans care about anything besides themselves.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can be against US and Chinese fascism simultaneously.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Chinese fascism

Just say you don't know what you're talking about.

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 months ago (30 children)

You didn't make one you just stated something wildly incorrect so why should I take the time to give you a well thought out response trying to explain how truly idiotic is?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

In what way is China fascist? It's a socialist country, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Authoritarianism, violent oppression of minorites and dissenting movements, deeply ingrained surveillance state with state censorship.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago

China does not violently oppress minorities, and wielding state authority, censorship, and surveilance against capitalists and fascists is necessary for a socialist state, and doesn't make it fascist. Fascism is capitalism violently defending itself from decay and solidifying bourgeois control, not proletarian.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

But enough about the US.

projection

[–] Yliaster@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (11 children)

That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used against capitalists most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's not what fascism is either lol

I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago

The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward.

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