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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 63 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

This is what happens when you let the oil industry and their lobbyists have unfettered control of the narrative and legislation .You get a huge number of politicians falling into their pockets, and progress is stymied at every turn.

It's actually kind of surprising America has made the limited progress on EVs that we have. But it's nowhere near enough. And now we are paying the piper.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

American voters are doing their part to "help," crying about "high" fuel prices (less than half of what they are here) when one of the big issues is that undertaxation of petrol has led to underinvestment in alternatives.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This has very little to do with oil industry lobbyists, and a whole lot to do with the whole world outsourcing their production and labor to a country with no worker protections.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.

Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they're so incredibly highly automated, nothing to do with worker rights regardless of your opinion of China.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.

Do ya see a bunch of Chinese ICE vehicles running around?

Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they're so incredibly highly automated

They're efficient because they have no concept of workers' rights or IP. Not because they're a country full of geniuses, and not because Big Oil is keeping them down, regardless of your opinion on China.

There are plenty of Chinese ICE vehicles, what on earth are you talking about ? MG got rolling here in the UK with ICE before releasing hybrids and EVs, Chery only have ICE and hybrids here etc etc Same in Australia with BYD and the rest.

You're poorly informed.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Nah, you're just a propagandized westerner who hasn't done the most cursory research on the degree of automation in Chinese EV industry. Enjoy malding in your ignorance while your country's industry crashes and burns

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 8 hours ago

The degree of automation is not relevant to a discussion about why they're being kept out of other countries, or anything to do with Big Oil.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That China has terrible workers rights is a fact. That China also has a lot of automation is an unrelated fact that is also true.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Automation is unrelated to EV price?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago

Its unrelated to a conversation about the oil industry and lobbyists, obviously, yes.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 2 points 9 hours ago

Mostly. Price is a complex problem. Cost is a floor factor and automation affects that somehow. It is hard to know when automation lower prices as this depends on relative labor costs which have been going up in China.