I got to ride in a Li Auotmotive i9 Ultra the other day and it was amazing. Ridiculously luxurious and far ahead of tesla. Cheaper too. It had a fridge and microwave, and big screens everywhere. Its Lidar view of everything around the car was vastly superior to Tesla's, and it has about 15x the computing power of my model 3.
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No, our answer is that EVs are dumb and that oil is the only energy source that matters in this century and every century to come.
The headline suggests it’s a problem that the USA is working on. Evidence suggests that in fact the approach being taken is to imitate an ostrich, and bury the collective head in oil and gas money.
While the government might be doing that, the US auto manufactures are taking a different approach. GM makes some nice EVs.
Genuinely, have they? All the EV news I hear from the US is projects stalling or getting cancelled.
Those are what make the news. GM has a lot of EVs that look just like the ICE of the same name and they don't get much news.
The Ford Mustan Mach-E seems very nice as well
Sounds like a better plan that what Europe is doing. Laxing Chinese imports and Chinese owned factories on EU soil while also opening more doors for more "Overseas Police Service Stations" that everyone apparently forgot about.
Do you have a better idea?
I've been Flintstoning it for years, best move I ever made.
While your idea is very good and I support it, that's a "ban smoking" solution to "how do we stop vaper imports from China"
This is what happens when you let the oil industry and their lobbyists have unfettered control of the narrative and legislation .You get a huge number of politicians falling into their pockets, and progress is stymied at every turn.
It's actually kind of surprising America has made the limited progress on EVs that we have. But it's nowhere near enough. And now we are paying the piper.
American voters are doing their part to "help," crying about "high" fuel prices (less than half of what they are here) when one of the big issues is that undertaxation of petrol has led to underinvestment in alternatives.
This has very little to do with oil industry lobbyists, and a whole lot to do with the whole world outsourcing their production and labor to a country with no worker protections.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they're so incredibly highly automated, nothing to do with worker rights regardless of your opinion of China.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Do ya see a bunch of Chinese ICE vehicles running around?
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they're so incredibly highly automated
They're efficient because they have no concept of workers' rights or IP. Not because they're a country full of geniuses, and not because Big Oil is keeping them down, regardless of your opinion on China.
There are plenty of Chinese ICE vehicles, what on earth are you talking about ? MG got rolling here in the UK with ICE before releasing hybrids and EVs, Chery only have ICE and hybrids here etc etc Same in Australia with BYD and the rest.
You're poorly informed.
Nah, you're just a propagandized westerner who hasn't done the most cursory research on the degree of automation in Chinese EV industry. Enjoy malding in your ignorance while your country's industry crashes and burns
The degree of automation is not relevant to a discussion about why they're being kept out of other countries, or anything to do with Big Oil.
That China has terrible workers rights is a fact. That China also has a lot of automation is an unrelated fact that is also true.
Automation is unrelated to EV price?
Its unrelated to a conversation about the oil industry and lobbyists, obviously, yes.
Mostly. Price is a complex problem. Cost is a floor factor and automation affects that somehow. It is hard to know when automation lower prices as this depends on relative labor costs which have been going up in China.
The answer continues to be: do everything it can to ignore China exists, and insulate the industry from having to compete.
How very free market of them. Seems like it would be so shitty to be a real republican - their party has totally abandoned those ideals.
I want those Chinese EVs so bad 😭
Make decent vehicles that don't spy on people or track them.....fucking morons
I'm sure his answer will be tariffs because he's not about to invade China for their oil.
Of course they “have an answer to EVs”. It’s to crush them or make them so outrageously expensive only the very wealthy will afford them.
And you know why? Because that’s how we voted.
It's kind of 30th trimester. Too late for abortion Steve - China domnitates and we have no answer
The USA isn't exactly known for their cars. But even Germany has trouble making good cars nowadays.
Of course they do:
- Ban Chinese cars period
- Add an additional $130/year tax on EVs, in case one of those heathen cars actually gets sold here
- Ignore the rest of the world and taut how well the US makers are doing in the US
- ???
- Profit
Are owners want us to use oil
And it never will!
The US has actively worked against EVs for over 100 years….
The US admin keeps telling people they want noise and emissions and doubling down on it. Make it make sense.
Grey now? No more orange? :-(
I don't see what that answer could be even hypothetically and if Trump wasn't a moron.
USA is not the world leader in production anymore, that ship has sailed. Now China is the leader in production, and USA is mostly a service based economy.
So cars isn't even the major problem, technology is.
Before the Japanese entered the market, and put a serious dent in US car manufacturing, American automakers were the biggest in the world, now the biggest American car manufacturer is GM at no. 5 internationally down from no. 4 in 2024.
Most likely USA will decline further because of the Chinese makers, that have not entered top 5 on production yet, but almost definitely will very soon.
USA is still significant with Ford following directly after GM. But the current home market GM and Ford are operating in, could make it even harder for them to compete internationally, as USA is somewhat held out of international trade by the Trump Tariffs, and those tariffs make production in USA more expensive.
So international competition by GM and Ford will be from factories outside of USA. But still disadvantaged because they can't make international deals to cover all their factories.
Be careful of those numbers - while the US isn't world leader in production, the US has continuously gone up in production, just that others have gone up even more. You don't see this because employment in manufacturing is way down, but production is still up. It no longer looks like we make anything, but the numbers show we make more than when we were world leaders.