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[–] febra@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Can't wait for AI to replace all those useless execs and CEOs. It's not like they even do much anyways, except fondling their stocks. They could probably be automated by a markov chain

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

If they could replace project managers that would be nice. In theory it is an important job, but in practice it's just done by someone's mate who was most productive when they don't actually turn up.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Paranoia RPG has a very realistic way of determining who gets to be the leader of a group. First, you pick who'll do what kind of job (electronics, brute force, etc). Whoever didn't get picked becomes the leader, as that person is too dumb to do anything useful.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes that's quite a funny and satirical way of doing it but it's probably not actually the best way in real life.

I think Boeing have proven this quite nicely for everyone, the company was much better off when they had actual engineers in charge. When they got corporate paper pushes everything went downhill.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have been on enough projects where engineers were in charge that went to hell to know that isnt always a solution. And yes I am an engineer.

One of the projects I am on now the main lead is full PE civil and its a manmade clusterfuck well behind schedule, overbudget, and several corporate bridges burned. Haven't even started digging yet.

By far the very biggest cluster fuck I was ever on was run by a Chemical Engineer. A 40 million dollar disaster that never should have been even considered.

Being good at technical problems (which frankly most of us aren't) doesn't mean you know how to do anything else.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I have had good ones and not so good ones.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I swear people don't know the difference between a good project manager and a bad one, or no one.

Everyone on here is on about how the.board has no idea what the bottom rungs of the ladder do and are all "haha they are so stupid they think we do nothing". Then in the next sentence say they don't know what the board does and that they just do nothing.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Project managers on board members what the hell you want about

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People slagging off jobs they don't understand.

Both project managers that they probably have experience with dealing with but don't understand and board members they probably don't have any experience with and also don't understand.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I see.

What is this judgment based on?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

First hand experience

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Don't get a job in government contracting. Pretty much I do the work and around 5 people have suggestions. None of whom I can tell to fuck off directly.

Submit the drawing. Get asked to make a change to align with a spec. Point out that we took exception to the spec during bid. Get asked to make the change anyway. Make the change. Get asked to make another change by someone higher up the chain of five. Point out change will add delays and cost. Told to do it anyway. Make the next change....

Meanwhile every social scientist "we don't know what is causing cost disease"