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[–] exscape@kbin.social 213 points 7 months ago (8 children)

"climate change and other left wing topics"... I know that's basically how it works in some countries, but it's insane to consider certain scientific facts left wing, and we really shouldn't support such statements.

[–] nikita@sh.itjust.works 83 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for pointing that out. It’s just so normal to think that way here that they’ve even corrupted me into framing climate change that way. It’s not a left wing topic; it’s a reality.

I just hope young people who are thinking of voting conservative here keep in mind that those assholes literally don’t believe in climate change and by extension science and facts. That alone should automatically disqualify conservatives from anyone’s consideration.

[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 35 points 7 months ago

It's not a lack of belief, it's just an abundance of "fuck you, I got mine".

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

Politicising climate change was yet another distraction from dealing with it in a cohesive and unified manner. Divide and conquer.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 33 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, in Europe, most political parties, both left and right, have their own climate change mitigation policies, because if they don't, they risk just not being elected.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Also no mainstream political party in Europe dares to touch Universal Healthcare.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, they have privatised it and made it worse and worse, with longer queues and worse quality of care.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That strongly depends on your country.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The access is universal, but its run by private companies now.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 7 months ago

That strongly depends on your country.

[–] Hackerman_uwu@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

Found the round-earther.

[–] WhatsThePoint@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The reason it’s overwhelmingly called “climate change” instead of global warming now is because of language change pushed by billionaire foundations. The Koch network specifically focus grouped and created the term change. Whether we want it considered left wing or not, the billionaire backed right has made such statements left wing.

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 15 points 7 months ago

The reason it’s overwhelmingly called “climate change” instead of global warming now is because of language change pushed by billionaire foundations.

I do think "global warming" struggles to convince some more simple people anyway, unfortunately. Because while the average temperature of the globe is increasing and causing the changes in climate that we're seeing, I've come across far too many comments from people saying things like "global warming must be a myth because it snows more than it used to" and things themselves smarter than all climate scientists combined for that observation.

Of course, those same people probably think global warming is good because they like their summer holidays so perhaps their opinions shouldn't matter much either way!

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Climate change was adopted because global warming doesn't intuitively line up with winters being much colder on top of the average temperature being higher.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is this really true?

Idiots would walk around on cold days saying "see - this global warming stuff is bullshit".

Climate change describes the danger much more aptly.

[–] WhatsThePoint@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

You should read “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer. Goes into it and a lot of other very eye opening stuff about how the billionaire foundations changed this country.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money

[–] PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

In 2024, anything that makes sense is un-conservative.

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

And yet, here we are :/

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

Reality has a left-wing bias.